I dont remember creating this thread I dont really see why anyone is arguing here. It doesnt matter who likes or dislikes it, its a viable option. It might not be the best option for some, but thats a different thing entirely. I dont like SMF, I dont like Lithium, and tbh, I'm not over keen on XF - but all are viable options. vB3 & vB4 are equally viable options still, its all down to choice - as said above, each to their own.