XenForo mastered the forum software. Now is time to go beyond with a road map.

Discussion in 'Forum Software' started by palhanow, Jun 17, 2019.

  1. Jake

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    Doesn't seem super relevant to this thread, but I'm not sure the comparison you're trying to make. You do have to pay again to retain access to Netflix, you do it every month
     
  2. DaveL

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    It's a typical rubbish EU directive. All companies need to do, using XF is an example is to get rid of the 1 year extension, and just charge $110 for two years.
     
  3. sbjsbj

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    I understand and I thank you for hearing our voices. But I at least would like to see 2 points addressed. One, if XF has plans on adding more developers to the team. 2, if or when Kier and Mike will participate in the community again after being away for so long?

    Doesn't matter, the EU is not chained to UK. The rest of the EU will.
    Also UK has already the digital act laws, so even if UK leaves, my points are still correct.

    Yep, exactly. But the point here is, when I do pay again to retain access, what do I get out of it? I get the latest and shiniest movie releases they have in their library, right?

    The point being made was, that when we pay for XF renewal fees, that we shouldn't expect updates/upgrades in the sense of "new stuff". We should expect stability/security according to that person.

    So, when I pay for Netflix, do I pay for the stability or security or what? No, I pay to get the newest stuff, while retaining my access to it.
    So I would expect the same from a software company. If I keep paying them after I bought a license, then I just don't expect stability, but I expect new stuff too. Because according to the laws, I already have the right for stability and security, without paying further.
     
  4. DaveL

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    You seem to think this is a good thing. You do realise that it's going to be a cost to the consumer.

    Also, you're points are not correct, because when the UK leave the EU, our digital laws are totally different.
     
  5. sbjsbj

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    Well, not my fault that the UK leaves, I wish they didn't but they thought they can pressure the EU and now they will bleed for this. I am sorry but that's life.

    And no, the UK won't have totally different laws. Again, read your laws and compare it with the EU ones, more or less the same stuff anyway.
     
  6. DaveL

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    Brexit yada yada, crash and burn yada yada........ :sleep:
    No , our current laws are not the same as the propsed EU directive.
     
  7. Steve

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    ;)

    You know you don't have to renew, I'm sure you do know that though.
     
  8. sbjsbj

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    I know, that is what I am doing, altough my license is currently active right now. But I rather would renew and have some new stuff, instead of not renewing and have the same old thing.

    Progress is important. We go backwards otherwise. Again, the internet is evolving and that in a fast manner. We have to be on par with it, if we want thriving communities. It is not good enough to stay on the same place. Forums doing that for 20 years now...
     
  9. Steve

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    Wouldn't good content be what is needed most?

    Back to your hub idea, I don't really agree it's even a good idea. Seeing how there is going to be likely 10's or 100's of sites covering the same niche. To me it's always going to be content and a need that users want. You can put all your efforts in a flashy page you want but if the content or need isn't there people won't bother even registering.
     
  10. palhanow

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    Thank you so very much for having the time to read and replying to us Chris.

    I'm very happy to see that XenForo's Team work side by side with the Community.

    I really understand your points about the roadmap and i see how this is complicated in the business terms.

    Well, with roadmap or not, I'm still going to renew my license year by year. I can tell that my Forum is a success mostly because XenForo, my user base really loves the system and our intention with this thread is keeping the users in love with your software.
     
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  11. Karll

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    Good content is great, but it's not going to help getting more users if they don't know about the good content. The hub idea can help with that aspect, i.e. discoverability / visibility, by possibly rewarding sites with popular content by highlighting trending threads/content/sites. You are right that with a single hub there would be multiple sites covering the same niches and competing about the same users. Personally, I would have preferred multiple competing hubs or networks with just one site per niche.
     
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  12. Steve

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    A hub sounds like it would only ever benefit sites that are most popular, traffic/views. My concern would be the valuable development time that this would require. You're not talking about a simple addition to the core here but a complete new system that would need managed.

    It is somehow a bit frustrating to see people calling out the developers for not being more popular than some social networks and somehow blame a failing community on them. That is my biggest gripe here.
     
  13. sbjsbj

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    Obviously yes, but that doesn't solve the main problem here, which is that people don't bother with forums anymore. It feels like you are walking the main street in your city and right and left you see shops and their showcases (these would be the SM sites and news sites). And in a back alley, somewhere hidden, you have forums.
    We need more opportunities to display our content. Right now, you live or die with Google. And the cheapest, most useless Wordpress articles filled with keywords and h1 tags or whatever, outperforms forums. The SEO aspect is problematic, not as easy as having good content. My solution doesn't solve the content problem, as every site needs to take care of it. My solution would help channeling visitors in one place, which again would make forums popular again and have more opportunities to showcase their content. But you need content in first place anyway.

    Agree. But see reddit. In reddit the same problem exists, people say all the time in every hot topic "repost, repost, repost" or "recycled".
    So reposts and recyled content will always be there in such case, that is inevitable. But again, the upvote system would cover that problem as good as it can. Upvote system would filter out reposts, which is exactly what is happening in reddit. Most of the stuff you are not aware of, because downvoted or not upvoted enough. So there is a solution for that.

    However, if you still think the idea is not a good idea, I understand, no problem. I think it would help a lot but of course I am open for modifications of the idea or for other and better ideas. I just wanted to be constructive, that is all. It is utopia and hypothetical anyway, no hard feelings.
     
  14. sbjsbj

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    But that is possible with the hub idea, see reddit.
    Reddit's mainpage is configured like that. All your subscribed subreddits are streamed in the mainpage. So every user has individual hubs on reddit based on their subscribed subreddits.

    However the reddit/r/all subreddit displays all stuff across from everywhere. So there you have everyone competing against each other.
    On the mainpage any user can configure their hub however they like. They have 1 preffered forum for gaming? No problem, subscribe to it and it shows that and nothing else anyway, as long as you are not subscribed to other gaming forums.

    It sounds like that, but that is not the case. If you follow reddit, any subreddit has a chance. And specially by word of mouth people discover new subreddits. I for example discovered many subreddits like that just in the comments of popular subreddits or popular topics. It gives you an eco-system that everyone can get heard of.

    Exactly. The idea is massive. It would need serious investment. I would say the time XF put into 2.0, they would need 5x more time to create the hub.
    Again, my idea is just hypothetical. Unless some billionaire or big company buys XF or a forum software, we will never see that kind of investment in the forum scene. The teams are just too small, the vision is just too short. They already make big money right now, why change a running system? Coasting is much safer and you need to invest a lot less time

    I hope this is not directed at me but even if it does. That is absolutely not true. The failing community part can be because of many reasons. Nobody blames the developers for that. However, if the infrastucture of your system is not on par with modern times, you have it much harder. It is a fact. Imagine for not a long time ago, you couldn't upload a video from your phone into the forum. Where 50% of visitors right now are on mobile phones and you don't have that, is a problem.
    Again, it doesn't solve the content problem, but not everything is about content here. You need to give users the same things they know from other sites. Being outdated is a big problem.
     
  15. zappaDPJ

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    This is probably not going to be voted idea of the year but I would like to see XenForo develop an app with push notification. I'd give licence holders the option of listing their forum on the app and allow it to be searchable e.g. you search the app for 'taxidermy' and get hits from multiple forums.

    If it's accepted that a forum has a limited number of members why not expose all members to all forums. Is there any disadvantage to one user posting on multiple sites even if they are all covering the same niche?
     
  16. haqzore

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    This is a good point.

    Is generally accepted that niche forums are the best chance of survival, while "general discussion" forums have a near-zero chance.

    So a grouping of niche forums? Why not?
     
  17. Xon

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    FYI, but you can configure elasticsearch (/etc/elasticsearch/jvm.options set the -Xms & -Xmx arguments) to use much less memory than the out-of-the-box configuration and still get quite decent performance even for active forums.
     
  18. MagicalAzareal

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    Is Microsoft not a big enough company for you? Spectrum.

    It's not very traditional, but it can be self-hosted and Microsoft has quite the serious money.
     
  19. palhanow

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    Uow! Xon is here too.

    This Forum is like a celebrity meeting point.

    Nice to see you here man, i love your addons! (Btw, there is some very nice plugins ideas around this thread).
     
  20. Anton Chigurh

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    "mastered the forum software" really has been, great click-bait!
     
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