Why free hosted over self hosting

Discussion in 'Free Hosted Forums' started by Ingenious, Dec 2, 2018.

  1. Ingenious

    Ingenious Fan

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    Just curious, having read some interesting threads about hosted services... why would someone choose free over self hosted these days? By free I mean a service that hosts your forum and effectively provides everything except the users and content.

    OK so you might say the answer is in the question, it's free. Duh!

    Yes and no. You see for me, when someone is ready to start a forum about their hobby or profession, they are highly likely to already be spending a lot more on that hobby than on any licence or hosting costs. Take gamers, probably already own a console or PC rig and spend $$$ on games. What hobby these days costs less than a some dollars a month to host, and a few hundred dollars to purchase a forum platform?

    I just see so many disadvantages to free hosted forums that do not outweigh the advantages IMHO:

    • Your data and community might not, strictly speaking, actually be yours depending on the T&C
    • You are being used by someone else to make money (via adverts on your site)
    • It could be very hard to remove your community from the host in the future and become independent
    • Your community is at the mercy and whim of someone else (buy outs, collapse etc).
    So what are the key advantages of hosting with someone else that I am missing here, anything other than cost? Maybe you need less technical skill too (though few of the forum platforms I have installed have been difficult)?
     
  2. Maddox

    Maddox Habitué

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    The only real advantage that I can visualise is that, apart from the free element, it could be a means of gauging interest. That is, if it works on free then it should work on paid; this eliminates the risk element in the cost factors.


    ;)
     
  3. doubt

    doubt Tazmanian

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    You do not need any experience with managing forums, just start it.
     
  4. zappaDPJ

    zappaDPJ Administrator

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    Perhaps a case of easy when you know how?

    Installing SMF is little more than a one click operation through Softaculous but until you've actually done it it'll still remain daunting to many people. Installing and using an FTP client will be a complete no go for most. A read through the official installation and upgrade forums of any forum platform suggests that even having technical knowledge may not be enough to perform a successful installation. I struggled for many hours the first time I installed vBulletin 2. It just wouldn't install until I finally worked out my FTP client wasn't uploading some files correctly.

    I'm sure it's not the only reason but I'd say ease of use is definitely a factor.
     
  5. southernlady

    southernlady Coder/Designer

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    I never free hosted or share hosted a forum. I did SELF host my first one. Had my own server in the back bedroom of our house. And although everyone told me I was making a mistake, it worked well for almost a year with only ONE outage when my cats turned off the surge protector strip.

    At that point, I moved to my own server, it was a VPS and my partner was excellent at the managing side. When he stopped doing that, before he did, we moved me to managed hosting and I have been there ever since.
     
  6. vbgamer45

    vbgamer45 Enthusiast

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    I have a forum hosting service for many years now. Mainly it is people to who do not have the technical skills with installing/maintaining a website or are younger. For my service I do tend to get a lot of gamers/roleplayers. There are times though I do get old forum owners who just no longer want to pay for a hosting bill as well.
     
  7. Joeychgo

    Joeychgo TAZ Administrator

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    You get what you pay for
     
  8. maksim

    maksim Serial Entrepreneur

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    Plenty of free open source forum software out there that can be one click installed.

    The "free hosted" stuff is really a death nell and a near guarantee that your forum will never be succesful enough. Reason why, if it gets big enough, you won't be able to take it out (without a heavy price)..

    As such, this is why I would rather start with some imperfect software and really good hosting... then if the forum is successful, get one of the paid forum software packages, like IPB, XF, etc.

    In two months my main forum will be celebrating 10 years. We started out as free phpbb forum and after about a year and having proof that there is a demand for the community, I upgraded to IPB.
     
  9. overcast

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    Only genuine reason to choose free hosting is lack of money. Otherwise getting free hosting is a pain. Not because of service but their servers get lot of load which is not good for serious websites.
     
  10. doubt

    doubt Tazmanian

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    After a week or month move to another host?
     
  11. MagicalAzareal

    MagicalAzareal Magical Developer

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    I don't really care about the money that much.

    If I'm going to do something at all, then I'll do it right.

    If I can do it cheaply too, then that just makes it all the better.

    I don't believe in free however, some would say that services provided by Cloudflare or Google are free, but one sells your data to advertisors and the other sees it as great free PR to market the services that *actually* make them money like Pro, Argo, Mirage and Railgun.

    As for free forums, not only do they obstruct you leaving in a lot of cases, but they quite frankly suck. With a self-hosted site, you can slap down whatever plugins you need, customise the theme / code, etc. but with a free one, you're a lot more limited.
    Wget usually helps there, although it won't necessarily work for a proprietary software.
     
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  12. TrixieTang

    TrixieTang Politically Incorrect

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    <ShiaLaBeouf>JUST START IT!</ShiaLaBeouf>
     
  13. mysiteguy

    mysiteguy Devotee

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    Cloudflare has never said they aren't selling your data. Read their wording very carefully. They are not selling personally identifiable data - that is all. They do sell data about your traffic, it's sources, visitor demographics, etc. - some of the buyers have been identified.
     
  14. overcast

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    Not reasonable for serious people is it? I mean you have like community building project and want to work seriously. Would you waste efforts testing things out?
     
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