Featured When will you shift from XF1 to XF2?

Discussion in 'XenForo' started by Freelancer, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. I will switch immediately as soon as XF2 stable is released

  2. I will wait a few months and see how it works

  3. I will wait at least for XF2.1

  4. I will wait till ultima and shift only when all my add-ons are XF2 compatible

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  1. BioWarfare

    BioWarfare The uphill battle

    I wouldn't mind being paid to really sit and think very hard if I am for or against upgrading a forum from XF1 to XF2.
  2. LeadCrow

    LeadCrow Apocalypse Admin

    That sounds like an overly bureaucratic procedure. Even if the size and interconnections of a huge forum may justify the careful review, most these steps would not need to performed sequentially.

    Sticking to a longterm support version would still be the most reasonable option in your example. Regardless of the attractiveness of XF2, its too early for bigboards to adopt without compromise.
  3. Ummagumma

    Ummagumma Adherent

    Exactly the same here. Will only move when we can - and that is when our add-ons (including custom made ones) are ported and compatible, and all creases are ironed out of XF2 and it's fully stabilised. :)
  4. John Yoerger

    John Yoerger Coder/Designer

    I totally agree. You've recognized a point we made that a change like this will result in us just hemorrhaging money. However, at the same time, we've been given the directive of always making recommendations and strategizing to implement the most emerging and innovative technologies which results in internal pressure from our Directors to implement new things, like XF2, ASAP. I kid you not, when Windows 10 was released, it was imaged to all of our computers 2 days later. And yes, there were software compatibility issues that thereafter put different departments on hold for multiple days. It isn't a good strategy at all, but it's the one we have!
  5. Neutral Singh

    Neutral Singh SPN Administrator

    Ironically, while I was stripping down to vanilla xF1 setup to prepare for an upgrade to xF2, now my members absolutely love the vanilla xF1 skin... o_O
    Now, i am torn between keeping it as it is or go for the upgrade... having a xF1 skin for the xF2 would be awesome... :whistle::russ:
  6. eva2000

    eva2000 Habitué

    I'll be waiting for XF2 addon compatibility before updating my Centmin Mod forums :)
  7. ŽivaAkcija

    ŽivaAkcija Aspirant

    lots of forums owner got custom work on and plugins on XF1 its not easy upgrade to XF2 and realy if your forum run premium plugins, custom style, custom work its cost to much money to convert it all for XF2 also lots of developers decide to they XF2 premium plugin will not be free even if you got same ones for XF1.
  8. LeadCrow

    LeadCrow Apocalypse Admin

    Xenporta was just ported to xf2.

    No other addon was as indispensable to have so its a matter of time and planning.
  9. Matthew S

    Matthew S Adherent

    After seeing what's coming in IPS 4.3, if you have to go to the expense and trouble of having styles and add-ons recoded for XF2.x, an XF1.x owner would have to seriously consider whether the effort is better put into changing to IPS.
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  10. Alfa1

    Alfa1 Administrator

    That indeed is a consideration. But the real feature waterfall release will be XF2.1 and XF2.0 is mainly feature parity. So its not possible to really value XF2 yet, until XF2.1 is out.
    IMHO it would make sense to make that decision at that point. Otherwise you may risk wanting to head back over to XF when XF2.1 is out.
  11. LeadCrow

    LeadCrow Apocalypse Admin

    XF1 is perfectly fine currently and an upgrade/migration likely unnecessary this early.
    Many of IPB's advances come at a cost (performance, higher server ressource concumption). It might not make a big difference for profitable forums but total cost of ownership significantly favours XF's ecosystem.
  12. Will_Watts

    Will_Watts Habitué

    Are there any ideas when 2.1 will release?

    I personally prefer XF2 so far. I was never completely keen on XF1, I think partly because I always found the mobile experience a little off, but I'm enjoying our test build of XF2.

    More themes would be nice though, but they'll come in time, and under the hood we're pretty excited about XF2 and the possibilities with it.
  13. Matthew S

    Matthew S Adherent

    Totally agree and I'll add further; that would still only be the 2nd release for the new XF software. In the IPS case, the 4th, so they have a head start on bringing interesting and compelling features. We don't know what is yet to come in XF2, but I personally hope (need?) to be "wowed". People looking to transition will be looking for the best value proposition, and IPS is making a case for themselves.
  14. Fillip H.

    Fillip H. Developer

    Then again, what your point fails to take into consideration is the notion of familiarity. Undoubtedly, XF 1.5 and 2.0 are different, and there's some very obvious changes in terms of layout and functionality, but by and large XF2 is going to feel somewhat familiar to someone currently browsing a 1.5 forum.

    When you decide to change forum software, you want to try to make sure that the new forum software is either intuitive or familiar. With a change from XF 1.5 to 2.0, the familiar aspect is going to get a tick (mostly), but with 1.5 to IPS you would not. That would bring us onto the point about intuitiveness.

    Personally, I have only encountered one solitary IPS site in this decade (neowin.net), and I was around when they switched from vBulletin to IPS. I'm sure there there are thousands of IPS sites out there hiding away, but from my perspective it doesn't seem to be a very popular forum software. That is relevant because if fewer other boards run the software you're switching to, the less of a chance there is that any given forum member is going to find the software familiar. Any vB or XF site feels familiar to me because so many forums I have encountered in the past 18 years have ran vBulletin 3 and 4, and now XF. An IPS site does not feel familiar to me because I have so little experience using IPS as a member (or admin, for that matter).

    I'd say it's very difficult to create a truly intuitive forum software, since it has so many features, and no-one has thought to create a tutorial system similar to what we see in games (where you're guided through common processes with dimmed out views etc), so I don't know if I would class vB, XF or IPS as "intuitive". vB and XF are only intuitive to me because I have a lot of experience using them, and I cannot remember far enough back to when I was first starting out on the internet and learning about forum software.

    In short; suppose the following assumptions are true:
    • You're currently running vBulletin or XF 1.5 and are looking at XF 2.0 or IPS as choices
    • Any given forum member has more experience with being a member of vB or XF boards than being a member of IPS boards
    Statistically speaking, from my perspective, moving to IPS is decidedly the wrong move.

    I have no real statistical evidence to back up my assumptions or my point, I have only anecdotal evidence; one of our customers was running XF 1.5 and before 2.0 was released, they moved to IPS. I suggested that users would hate it (although I do confess that I did so partially because this particular customer provided valuable feedback and testing, so I was biased), but they forged ahead. Four months later, what do you know, I received this message: "You were right about IPS. Users are asking me how to do basic things. Namely, they can’t figure out how to edit their profiles." and they are now moving back to XF (going with 2.0).

    Obviously a sample size of one is not statistically significant, but if four months was not enough for that forum's member base to acclimate to IPS, then I'd say IPS fails the "intuitiveness test" when you are dealing with a member base whose forum historically ran XenForo.

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  15. Alfa1

    Alfa1 Administrator

    I actually had my members ask me to move to the same software as another site. It was running IPS 4.2 with clubs. My members found it much easier to use than my XF1.5 site. Mind that this has never happened before in the last decades. IPS has always been more difficult to use than vb and xf.

    In regards to IPS3: my staff, a group of members and myself could not get used to it exactly because of what Belazor describes. IPS4.2 is much more user friendly though.

    Times change. Heck today there was a member who found Reddit easier to use than XF. Now there's a shift in reality. The new Reddit app is good though.
  16. LeadCrow

    LeadCrow Apocalypse Admin

    It's all a matter of implementation. Most webmasters seem to either stick to default parameters or enable everything they find in the admincp.

    It should be harmless for features improving staff's ability to manage boards, but users' navigation should be streamlined to reduce distractions. There's a much bigger discrepancy in skill level among users than among the small pool of staff taught to handle the forum functions theyre given access to.
  17. Pete

    Pete Flavours of Forums Forever

    I certainly found IPS 3.x more convoluted to use (both as a user and an admin) than XF of the time; these days I don't run either, but what I'm currently looking for in a forum platform is so marginal, I needed to build it myself anyway.
  18. dojo

    dojo Passionate admin

    I have 2 forums now on XF. One that's few months old, so it's on 1.x and a new one I just renewed a license for, which is x.2. I'll keep them both on their current versions until it's worth migrating to 2.x. While I'm pretty impressed with the new release, I do believe xenforo works wonderfully even on the previous version (at least that has been my experience in the past few years with it anyway)
  19. Jason76

    Jason76 Aspirant

    I'm not seriously getting into XF 2 yet. However, I will eventually because it's always best - for hacking prevention - to have the highest level software.
  20. dvduval

    dvduval Adherent

    I have been on XF2 for maybe 3 weeks now (2 Forums). The main customization that had to be imported was my own ad server, and it was a breeze integrating into the design. But I must say traffic is up, and my forums are running faster (also upgraded from PHP 5.3 to 7.2)
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