What was that?

[VICE]

I can't believe my eyes.

I just read a thinly veiled rant from Dragonball Z - vB's most prolific premium modder (well, apart from Black Sabbath) - against IB management.

This isn't good at all. What will be left of vB5 if Dragonball Z also leave? Well, nothing much actually. The way I see things roll, it is clear that vB5 is slated for the cloud hence third party addons is pretty much irrelevant.

Just my opinion though.


PS: I've been wondering, can vB/XF/IPB/BB/etc. adopt features from third party addons without their consent? Somewhat a moot question, anyone knows the correct legal position?

 

[BirdOPrey5]

Link?

 

[Danielx64]

Source?

 

[VICE]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/foru...15-vbulletin-5-opinions?p=4247320#post4247320

 

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[BirdOPrey5]

Oh, "DragonBallZ" is your pet name for Dragon Byte Tech.

 

[VICE]

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I'm still not sure about linking and quoting stuff, if Joe said OK, then I quote.

 

[BirdOPrey5]

I have no authority to grant nor deny you permission to post or quote anything.

 

[TrixieTang]

PS: I've been wondering, can vB/XF/IPB/BB/etc. adopt features from third party addons without their consent? Somewhat a moot question, anyone knows the correct legal position?

There's already a thread on that subject. (Yeah, it says XenForo in the title, but it's relevant to pretty much any software.)

https://theadminzone.com/threads/is-xenforo-allowed-to-steal-ideas-from-paid-add-ons.130340/

 

[Danielx64]

I'm still not sure about linking and quoting stuff, if Joe said OK, then I quote.

Fair enough

 

[VICE]

Fair enough

Basically DragonBall Z isn't happy with IB neglecting the modders by not fixing ancient issues and is adopting user tagging without DragonBall Z's consent.

i.e. instead of creating environment for the modders, IB is adopting their mods straight into the core.

 

[Danielx64]

Now that is not cool at all.

 

[Paul M]

What isnt cool ?

IB has every right to add any feature it feels users want, just because someone created a mod for it in the past doesnt mean they cannot.
Many features in vbulletin (and other software) existed as mods to start with. There have been many requests for user tagging since 2012.

Its already a common feature in many pieces of software (twitter & facebook for starters) and doesnt XF provide it - it seems to work here.

 

[BrandonSheley]

here is the post linked above..



So they are upset that user tagging is in the core? big deal...
Also I know ozzy has posted on vb.org that hooks aren't in vb5 which makes it harder for coders.. this would be a better argument.. but I'm sure db tech is just upset they may lose money..

 

[ozzy47]

Seems to be they are asking for clarification on the subject here, http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/foru...-features-to-core-product-without-attribution

Note, only vB5 alpha/beta testers can see the above link.

 

[BrandonSheley]

Seems to be they are asking for clarification on the subject here, http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/foru...-features-to-core-product-without-attribution

FYI we can't see that.

 

[Paul M]

Thats in a private beta forum.

 

[ozzy47]

So it is Paul, I did not notice that it was in the vB5 alpha/beta testing area.

 

[Joeychgo]

While I agree IB has the right to add any feature it wants, I agree with what dragonbyte said here:

Though I will say that IB copying major features of a mod exactly (though not the code) without any sort of attribution to the original designer/coder isn't exactly the best way to foster positive relations with the modding community.

IB has lost enough mod makers, and even though I'm thoroughly unimpressed with dragonbyte and their mods, it seems IB could and should do a little better job of taking care of their mod makers.


At the same time, I don't recall seeing dragonbyte's attribution to XF, twitter, facebook, etc

 

[ozzy47]

So they are upset that user tagging is in the core? big deal...
Also I know ozzy has posted on vb.org that hooks aren't in vb5 which makes it harder for coders.. this would be a better argument.. but I'm sure db tech is just upset they may lose money..

Well yes and no. It is more of the fact that they are adding stuff to the core, rather than making it possible for developers to make mods for the system.