Mod: This topic is split off from https://theadminzone.com/threads/my-move-to-wbb-a-review.144568/ The only bad with WBB is their Renewal schema. Let me use real examples: 1.- Bought IPB at Feb 2012. For my own reasons, I never used it. After their 4x release I decided to renew my license to test it. The cost was around $45 for upgrading to latest version and get support for 6 months from the day of payment. They didn't asked me to pay for intermediate releases like 3.2, 3.3, 3.4 2.- xenForo. Same story. Bought it at March 2011 but again for my own reasons, never used it. 2 months ago I renewed it for $55 and got access to latest version plus support for 12 months. They didn't asked me to pay for intermediate releases like 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 3.- WBB. Bought it Jan 2011 (so earlier than others) and as I can see in my history I paid $150 on July 2014 to renew it with the official plugins. Again for my own reasons never used not only the original version but not even the version for which I paid for renewal. Now trying to renew for the latest version 5 they're asking me an amount which actually is 80% of the new license price. Really why to pay eg $80 to renew a license and not add another $20 and get a new license, so total 2 license? What type of logic is this? Why so much? I left speechless when I read the reply in my support ticket: "You've paid for version 4.0 so you must pay to upgrade to ver 4.1 and then pay again to upgrade to ver. 5.0". And my questions is: "Why to pay for version 4.1? Have I downloaded it? No. Have I used it? No. Have I got support for it? No". So? Have nothing against the software. Maybe is the best. But even if I had thousands of Euros for spending, I should never pay it. Because I count it as tricky. I'm not saying that their terms are illegal. Sure they're legal. Simply they are NOT fair. By being something legal, does not means that is fair. A big prime minister in my country lost the elections because he said "If it's legal, it's fair". Later on he understood what bullsh**t he said, tried to correct it with excuses like "I was not really meaning it", but it was too late. Don't say how they treat old clients. When I bought the license (Jan 2011) their forums had a couple only (max 10) English threads with none replies. Normal as they focused to German market. Much later they started being interest for worldwide market. And to avoid count it as unfair post. I said "Forums" and not Support. Their support team was speaking English fluently and was very friendly. But trying to use forums was a hell. Edited 1: Forgot to write for vBulletin. Yes, some years ago they follow the same schema. That's why I never plan to renew it, but from the other side I've to admit that with just a payment to upgrade to ver. 4 I'm getting support and updates for 8 years. Edited 2: Just for fun Finally didn't even used xenForo for which I paid 2 months ago (and actually I bought plugins ~$200). I build my site on WHMCS, an old license that I had since 2007. I paid just for one upgrade. Can you imagine how much I had to pay for 10 years (major) updates (ver. 4, ver. 5, ver.6, ver. 7)? And not only this. Currently they don't have anymore owned licenses. They have only monthly subscriptions. But they didn't asked me to go with subscription. They accept the fact that I was one of their very first clients. This is fair client treatment.