*Warning: Disturbing/NSFW* Conflicted, upsetting. Maybe it's someone else, but I don't think so.

Discussion in 'Forum Software' started by punchbowl, Dec 11, 2018.

  1. fixer

    fixer I'm In My Prime

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    Smurfette isnt a smurf she was made out of clay, she is days old

    where as all the other smurfs are 100 years (minus baby smurf) and grandpa smuff is over 500 years old
     
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  2. zappaDPJ

    zappaDPJ Administrator

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    In the same way that you would determine if a picture of a real child is a child. If there was any doubt it would be challenged in court.

    I think I get what you are trying to put forward but the same argument could be used in regard to photographic images of real children.
     
  3. BirdOPrey5

    BirdOPrey5 #Awesome

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    A real person has a birth certificate proving their age.
     
  4. we_are_borg

    we_are_borg Administrator

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    And they know every child in every picture ever taken in child porn.
     
  5. zappaDPJ

    zappaDPJ Administrator

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    True enough but I doubt there's ever been a single instance of pornography legal or otherwise that comes supplied with a birth certificate.

    I fear this discussion is heading towards the twilight zone. The bottom line is Hannisdal and his business partner, Ian Kidd were found guilty of collecting child pornography.
     
  6. BirdOPrey5

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    True enough but also must point out that due to a dilution of the law we will likely never know whether "child pornography" means actual photos/videos (and hence actual victims) or cartoon images (which I personally still find weird and disturbing do not believe are nearly as bad as real life children.) Had they made a separate law with equal penalties then at least we would know if someone was guilty of which (or both,) It seems by simply extending the definition of "child pornography" they have created a loophole of sorts where convicted people can claim "it was only hentai" and the public really doesn't know if it's true.
     
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  7. WoodiE55

    WoodiE55 Enthusiast

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    So the images wasn't "actual" under age girls, but just drawings of under age girls having sex, some of which was having sex with animals.

    Okay got it.
     
  8. Kaelon

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    I think pointing out the "dilution of the law" is a grotesque splitting of hairs meant to excuse one community's definition of pedophilia. I agree with zappaDPJ that efforts to minimize or excuse Hannisdal or Ian Kidd from the crimes of which they have been committed has entered a twilight zone. To me, it's utterly offensive because whether it's real or imagined kids, the concept is so inhuman to tolerate any depiction demonstrating that underaged children incapable of giving sexual consent are somehow involved in sex or bestiality. When you start to entertain imagined acts of dehumanization, you've exited the civilized world.

    If we're being rhetorical, how is consuming fictitious depictions of underage children having sex any less offensive than having fictitious drawings of mass slaughter of people of color, women, Jews, or other minorities? Both sets of depictions celebrate exploitation against vulnerable populations, and I can entirely understand how laws would ban their possession.
     
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  9. Anton Chigurh

    Anton Chigurh Ultimate Badass

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    But if it's white males it's okay? Or, not offensive? Or somehow not AS offensive? They're not every bit as vulnerable to mass slaughter?

    How bout just "mass slaughter of people" and you still make your point.
     
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  10. BirdOPrey5

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    I for one am happy to live in a country where such depictions are not, and never could be, illegal.
     
  11. mysiteguy

    mysiteguy Administrator

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    Movies such as Shindlers List would not have been possible.
     
  12. MagicalAzareal

    MagicalAzareal Magical Developer

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    Just for your information. It is illegal in the United Kingdom, United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, France, Sweden, Brazil, South Korea and probably a bunch of other countries. Chances are that it's illegal for just about everyone here and they just don't realise it.

    All porn (not just child pornography) is banned in China, if I recall. I don't know about fictional depictions, but when everything is illegal, then everything tends to fall into one big black market making the law useless.

    Japan, which is the main producer of the content, wants to ban it too, although the industry which produces the content is pressuring them not to with arguments like "you can be sexually attracted to the depictions without being attracted to real children".

    This isn't just some "wacky Western concept" like some people might think.

    Unless you have urges which will make you hurt children otherwise or other psychological wackery, I'd just say to steer clear of it. And for the record, I think it's an asininely stupid law which can only backfire in terrible ways.

    They're also trying to ban all porn of women with small boobs regardless of age because it encourages pedophilia, yay.
     
  13. fixer

    fixer I'm In My Prime

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    MagicalAzareal ...Guess that doctrine in pornography you got is finally starting to pay off
     
  14. MagicalAzareal

    MagicalAzareal Magical Developer

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    Lol
     
  15. TrixieTang

    TrixieTang Politically Incorrect

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    There's this whole subset of people called "shame fetishists" who get off on posting highly embarrassing photos of themselves online along with their own personal information. I guarantee you that, if you were to ask one of them, you could easily get them to send you a picture of both their birth certificate and their junk.
     
  16. zappaDPJ

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    I had to Google. Give me some time to think about it :D
     
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  17. macfanpl

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    In Poland you'd land in prison for LONG term if caught with child porn.
     
  18. tomk

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    And rightfully so!
     
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  19. MagicalAzareal

    MagicalAzareal Magical Developer

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    It depends on what definition we're using, but really just about anywhere, if it's actually real and I don't think it'll come as a surprise to anyone with half a brain.

    I personally think the West is completely incompetent at actually tackling the source of these problems (it's almost always family members doing the abuse not people prowling the streets), however as Japan has rates of sexual crimes against children that are over ten times lower than that of the West with it going down over time and as it skyrockets here.

    Better waste time criminalising drawings of fictional people and thoughts.
    That is not to say I'm defending real people being harmed, but not some fictional child that apparently has greater rights than real ones in some situations.

    Also, police budgets are getting cut all the time and resources are being diverted from real child porn, real abuse, and other serious crimes so they can crack down on "drawings".
    In the US, they can theoretically put you behind bars for 15 years in some states for a drawing of some random cartoon character.
     
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  20. MMA-San

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    Fillip H. whatever happened to Iain Kidd. He obviously got blackballed from the MMA community. I'm wandering how he's making a living now that you've kicked him out of DragonByte as well.
     
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