*Warning: Disturbing/NSFW* Conflicted, upsetting. Maybe it's someone else, but I don't think so.

Discussion in 'Forum Software' started by punchbowl, Dec 11, 2018.

  1. BirdOPrey5

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    Very possibly guilty because a law that criminalizes cartoons. No matter how disgusting they may be they are still just drawings. If I can doodle it on the side of looseleaf paper it shouldn't be illegal. Kind of curious, how does one determine the age of a cartoon character? How old is Minnie Mouse? Daisy Duck? Smurfette?

    Is it illegal to draw Smurfette in the act with Papa Smurf in the UK? Asking for a friend.
     
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  2. Chris D

    Chris D XenForo Developer

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    That has no bearing on my personal feelings on the subject so I'd like it if you refrained from putting words in my mouth. Thanks.
    That developer was not only putting secret callbacks in his code that was being downloaded by our customers who we have a duty to protect, but he was also discovered to be one of the most prolific members of a forum which was actively pirating our software and resource manager resources.

    The crimes that Fillip H. has been convicted of, no matter what the context, are nothing short of abhorrent, morally and in the eyes of the law. That doesn't change just because he is a well-known third party XF developer.

    But, that conviction doesn't appear to have any direct, negative impact on any of our customers which is a contrast to the aforementioned developer who was not only hiding potentially malicious code, but was also ripping us and our community off. With that in mind, there was a clear and present risk to our customers with Brivium and that doesn't appear to be the case with DragonByte Tech.

    Of course customers may choose not to do any business with them anymore, and that would be perfectly understandable. Fillip may decide himself it is more sensible to withdraw from the community either temporarily or permanently. And law enforcement could have forcibly withdrawn him from his normal life and activities, but they didn't.

    We're not going to make up our customer's minds for them, we're not going to make up Fillip's mind for him and we're not going to be judge and jury - that bit has already happened.
     
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  3. mysiteguy

    mysiteguy Administrator

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    TheAdminZone, a place where admins can discuss this, and our decisions regarding it, how it might impact our sites, etc.

    Its obvious to me those here from the MMA world (excepting the OP) came because someone they hated went down for a serious crime, and it is the ultimate weapon to settle some scores. The type of crime is disgusting enough as it is, but its use as fodder in personal vendettas doesn't make one righteous (quite the opposite).

    They haven't brought any new info (repackaging it isn't new information), they aren't contributing to the discussion from admin perspectives, and they certainly aren't helping the atmosphere with the personal attacks they've made against some of the members here.
     
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  4. Slavik

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    So, no, you didn't read any of my posts or links, other than in a blind rage foaming at the mouth because I looked at it objectively?

    Gotcha.

    Already explained, he pled guilty as he had no valid defense, UK courts arent like the TV soap opera US courts where you can paint a picture and sway a jury.
     
  5. southernlady

    southernlady Coder/Designer

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    Had this happened prior to 2010, no he would not have been guilty of anything as cartoons were not considered porn before then. Maybe stupid and dangerous but not illegal.

    But as he stated, being ignorant of the law is no excuse.

    I don't know about other countries but the US (and the individual states) have outdated laws still on thee books which are broken quite often. or are so old, who would bother breaking them now? https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/top-craziest-laws-still-on-the-books

    Other countries are not exempt. But a new law can easily be overlooked. Yet, not knowing it's a law doesn't make it any less a law.

    But only Fillip is stating what happened to him here. Ian is MIA in all this. I do hope that not only did Fillip find new living quarters as he stated but will disassociate himself with Ian completely. Memories are long and it's gonna haunt him the rest of his life, affecting his ability to do business. Cause once he is taken off the register, he will still have the stigma attached to his life. Being convicted in the court of public opinion can actually be worse than in a legal court.
     
  6. MMA-San

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    To be fair, he's talking about Iain. Iain is guilty. That doesn't mention that it was Filip. But Iain is a POS.
     
  7. MMA-San

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    People keep on forgetting that Iain Kidd is a sicko, who has admitted that he had saved thousands of actual, real, non-hentai child pornography since 2005. That is 13 years worth. Filip was his business partner, best friend, and roommate. Not only this, but the third guy they were on trial with was a 60 year old actual child molestor. The jury would have founded Filip guilty no matter what...just because the two guys with him were actual filthy scumbags. The jury would have been influenced. There is no way people should be grouped together for trials. A failure in the justice system.
     
  8. MMA-San

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    It is part of their plea bargain that they need to turn over their hard drives, and give access to the authorities to all their networks and information without prior warning.

    That is a serious safety issue for your customers.
     
  9. MMA-San

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    How is an actual screenshot of Iain Kidd admiting his crimes in private...or a screenshot of the reporter confirming her research...or the actual Vox Media post about their own research in which they poured thousands of dollars into confirming....NOT considered new information?
     
  10. MMA-San

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    All of this. I do generally believe Filip was guilty by association. Why this forum is constantly trying to actively attack him rather than question where the hell is Iain Kidd is astonishing to me.

    Is Iain Kidd still involved in Dragonbyte? Nobody else has asked this question. This is the only answer needed for current/future customers to make an informed decision on whether or not to continue business w/ them.
     
  11. mysiteguy

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    No one has forgotten any of this, it has been beaten beyond a dead horse.
     
  12. mysiteguy

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    Safety issue? It doesn't present any safety issues to me and I've been a customer in the past who has bought products. They have my user id, and my Paypal address, IP address, and purchase history showing legitimate purchases of products. There's no connection or even the remotest probable cause, reasonable suspicion or the like, that their customers are connected to the crimes they committed. I won't buy from Dragonbyte the future, but not because of safety (or privacy) concerns. The UK, or USA government for that matter, could serve a warrant to any of the companies I've done business with, without prior warning.
     
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  13. Russ

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  15. we_are_borg

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    Nope they only want to be more righteous nothing more.
     
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  16. Slavik

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    Why?

    If you are handing out access data and not changing it once the work is done that is an issue for YOU to fix not the developer.
     
  17. Alfa1

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    Fixed!
     
  18. Tracy Perry

    Tracy Perry Opinionated asshat

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    Well, many people don't wish to live on the streets getting handouts from people passing by and throwing change into a hat while trying to support a family with a no job (don't know if they have family and don't really care in this case).
    Honestly... it's easy to SAY what you would do until the point of actually having to DO it.

    I'm not familiar enough with the laws where this is based from - but I do know once you have a charge of practicing or facilitating the sexual abuse of children in Texas you end up on a life-time notice of sex offenders. And once on that list, it effects many aspects of your life even if you plead out or go to trial and found guilty. It effects where you can live, where you can shop at, a specified time you can be out (this is usually for work) - and it effects them all the way into the grave.

    I do know that in the ones incarcerated for these type offenses in the US quickly figure out how (as I've seen) a bar of soap and a handle of a mop inserted anally manually feels like. They are the lowest of the low in a penitentiary and are typically abused sexually themselves
     
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  19. Tracy Perry

    Tracy Perry Opinionated asshat

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    Heck, in my home city it's still illegal to spit on the sidewalk.
    And I'm not sure if it still is there, but for the longest time sodomy in Texas was outlawed... you wanna BJ then you have violated that law if you go through with it even if you are the receiver and someone else was the giver. Lawrence v Texas was what finally did away with it did away with the Sodomy laws.
     
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  20. voodoochill

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    Except that it was (according to the press reports) "taking" lewd images and filming. If those are not the charges then both press reports are highly defamatory and should be auctioned against. I'm still not getting all the talk of cartoons and hentai. Where is the evidence that a court found them guilty of just collecting and (presumably) looking at cartoons?
     
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