The watching 'vBulletin's market share nosedive' thread.

Discussion in 'vBulletin' started by is_it_me, Jan 17, 2014.

  1. Within 6 months

  2. Within 1 year

  3. Within 18 months

  4. Within 2 years

  5. Within 30 months

  6. Within 3 years

  7. Longer than 3 years

  1. Alfa1

    Alfa1 Administrator

  2. Digitalpoint

    Digitalpoint Brain

  3. Digitalpoint

    Digitalpoint Brain

    Wasn't too difficult to add support for Burning Board 5.0 and 5.1, so that chart should look better now.

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  4. Paul M

    Paul M Limeade Addict

    Getting back to the original subject, I see VB is now 10.5 % behind XF.

    In fact, its close to being overtaken by Invision now as well.

    Also, even 6+ years after vB5 was released, its barely on 5.1%, most vB sites are still on vB3 or vB4.
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  5. HallofFamer

    HallofFamer Habitué

    VB5 is the world's leading forum software, something isnt right about this stats.
  6. LeadCrow

    LeadCrow Apocalypse Admin

    I'm most intrigued by the drastic overnight increase of nginx's marketshare, if its not an error (large webhosts and containers switching to google cloud?).
    Unless I'm mistaken nginx support was natively added to vb5 so this ecosystem shift might accelerate the demise of vb3 and vb4.
  7. Digitalpoint

    Digitalpoint Brain

    Seems weird to me too. But I also haven’t cared enough to really go digging to see what the change was.
  8. R0binHood

    R0binHood Habitué

    Over 1/3 of all XF sites are on 2.x now by the looks of it


    And over 50% PHP 7.x adoption.

  9. Steve

    Steve Administrator

    You will likely see a transition to 2.1 the more stable it becomes and with XF 1.x being EOL by the end of this year.
  10. rudedog

    rudedog Jim

    Looks like vB will fall behind Invision soon

    Xenforo - 40.2%
    vBulletin - 25.8%
    Invision - 24.5%
    Burning Board - 9.4%​
  11. MagicalAzareal

    MagicalAzareal Magical Developer

    XenForo, IPB, SMF, MyBB, etc.'s market-share are also nose-diving.
    The only one that is going up is Discourse but it's nowhere near enough to prop up the market with how fast it is shrinking.

    Losing a fifth of your sites in a year is not a "victory", it's merely fighting to become the captain of a sinking ship. vB is only taking the brunt of it because it's the most popular, therefore it has the most sites to burn into oblivion.

    What you are seeing is the death of the forum market.
    Last edited: May 12, 2019
  12. Digitalpoint

    Digitalpoint Brain

    Not sure where you are getting your numbers, but...

    vBulletin is not the most popular unless you are living 10 years ago, and I don't think Discourse is as popular as you think. Discourse would have to more than double it's install base while Burning Board didn't gain a single install for it to even have as many installs Burning Board (which isn't a very big install base in itself).

  13. overcast

    overcast Enthusiast

    I wonder how much spectrum forum which github recently purchased has managed to get some people to create community on their platform. Also I wonder how many people are using something like Flarum?
  14. haqzore

    haqzore Habitué

    While he did say "shares", I took his comment more as one of # of installs. Like:
    • All forum script installs: 1 million. VB: 100k of those.
    • As forums decline today, VB has vastly more raw #'s to lose.
    • So if today all forum script installs are down to 900k.
    • ALL scripts are losing (VB/XF/Invision). But, VB loses more than others, due to their larger foundation.

    Not sure I agree, but would be curious to see rounded #'s rather than %'s.
  15. MagicalAzareal

    MagicalAzareal Magical Developer

    Wappalyzer, W3Tech and a few other statistics sites show that every software, except for Discourse are being absolutely punished in the number of raw sites they're losing.
    Also, the big three are apparently Discuz! (China's vBulletin), bbPress and vB, if we're talking market-share, which doesn't really matter in today's age.
    There is also the factor of vB being a more dated software, however a lot of these sites are shutting down outright rather than converting to XF / IPB, so it shrinking doesn't benefit anyone but Facebook / Discord.

    Due to vB, forums used to permeate every corner of the web and as those sites go down, the forum market has shrunk a loooot, so I wouldn't be smug about vB nosediving.
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  16. mysiteguy

    mysiteguy Devotee

    Where does Wappalyer and W3Tech show the absolute number of installs? From what I've seen, they've always shown percentages of all web sites installed, not absolute numbers
  17. LeadCrow

    LeadCrow Apocalypse Admin

    It might not be as clearcut as it looks. A forum running paid software is likely to migrate to another paid script - one's loss being another's gain, without expanding the market.

    That said, It'd help for the % to be mapped to an actual number for at least the total boards detected running a commercial script. The only reason we're speculating is because it's unclear wether the market is actually expanding, contracting or stable (compared to vb's data for lifetime sales and vbcloud marketshare). The respective forumware providers are already aware of how many licences sold and licenced sites are online anyway.
  18. MagicalAzareal

    MagicalAzareal Magical Developer

    vB = XenForo times 4 (I believe). Used to be somewhere in the millions in 2015, if I recall.

    Discuz! = XenForo times 3.

    bbPress - Over 100k sites.

    XenForo - Over 100k sites.

    MyBB - Over 10k sites.

    Discourse - 80% of MyBB.

    FluxBB - Over 1k sites.

    Off the top of my head.

    I looked at a few sites a year ago (too many pages in my web history to quickly find them), which also incidentally said that the #1 phpBB forum is a porn site, those people must be very passionate about that stuff lol
    Precise numbers would be great.
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  19. mysiteguy

    mysiteguy Devotee

    I think you're seriously overestimating the number of forums then. Millions of VBulletin installations would have put its market in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

    Builtwith shows 19,714 current VBulletin forums. Assuming when you say millions its on the low end (we'll use 2 million), that would amount to a loss of 99.1253% of VBulletin sites.

    Xenforo's overall market size has been increasing since they launched. They've gone from 0 to 14,187 forums.

    Builtwith, in 2015, showed the following data:

    ProBoards - 3.8 million
    InvisionFree: 2.7 million
    ZetaBoards: 120,000
    Discuz - 160,000
    vBulletin – 44,540
    phpBB – 27,073
    SMF – 25,811
    Forumotion – 14,459
    XenForo – 8,781
    Vanilla 2,154
    Discourse – 697
  20. MagicalAzareal

    MagicalAzareal Magical Developer

    I cannot attest for their accuracy as I did not personally write the tools, but quite a few seem to be reaching towards that consensus, so there must be some kernel of truth.

    Of course, any measurements of the "entire web" are bound to run into issues.

    Also, if I recall, "Builtwith", last I checked it, put software with known high numbers of sites into the double digits. I am not sure it is accurate. And Proboards / Invisionfree are easier to crawl as they're both on single domains, if I recall, rather than spread out across the web.
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