The watching 'vBulletin's market share nosedive' thread.

Discussion in 'vBulletin' started by is_it_me, Jan 17, 2014.

  1. Within 6 months

    18.3%
  2. Within 1 year

    26.8%
  3. Within 18 months

    10.4%
  4. Within 2 years

    18.3%
  5. Within 30 months

    3.0%
  6. Within 3 years

    6.1%
  7. Longer than 3 years

    17.1%
  1. BirdOPrey5

    BirdOPrey5 #Awesome

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    Because it shouldn't matter.
     
  2. rudedog

    rudedog Jim

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    Who's making a big deal out of you being paid? You're a contractor (paid) for vB, end of story unless you keep dragging this out...... but why would you?
     
  3. Deimos

    Deimos Devotee

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  4. russellw

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    Back on topic.

    Vbulletin have held the lions share of the market for as long as they have for one very good reason - the competition around in their early days was pretty poor in terms of features and ease of use and thanks to that it really became the defacto standard for a lot of forums - particularly larger ones.

    That isn't so much the case now. The competition has closed the gap to some extent but they aren't all the way yet in terms of features / functions and even though they may not have the bugs vb has most of us would choose features with bugs over no bugs and less features.

    There is also a h-u-g-e knowledge base around vb on the web. Anything you want to know has been done/solved/built/hacked or solved by someone in the world and while the others are building similar pools of knowledge they are inherently smaller.

    It's a bit like the choice between an older and perhaps less reliable car that you know the faults of (and which anyone can fix) and a new vehicle made by a smaller manufacturer you've not really heard a lot about that requires specialist knowledge to maintain.

    It won't dip below 50% anytime soon if only because we are inherently creatures of comfort - I know in my case the 10+ years of vb knowledge and skills accumulated is going to keep me attached to some version of it (probably an older one) for as long as possible.

    Cheers
    Russ
     
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  5. DirtRider

    DirtRider bah humbug

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    I would suggest if you not getting paid that you follow your mod customers over to XenForo :lildevil:
     
  6. BirdOPrey5

    BirdOPrey5 #Awesome

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    Nothing prevents me from making mods for XenForo other than the fact it's so different from existing VB3/4 modifications and I have to learn a new way of coding to make XF mods. Maybe one day.
     
  7. is_it_me

    is_it_me or not?

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    Oh, come on, stop playing us for mugs, you are paid by IB/vB, everyone knows that.
     
  8. rexxxy

    rexxxy Enthusiast

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    I feel like I'm watching a court tv show and bop is trying to create reasonable doubt to not be found guilty lol
     
  9. BirdOPrey5

    BirdOPrey5 #Awesome

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    Fixed.
     
  10. DirtRider

    DirtRider bah humbug

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    I feel like I am watching [​IMG] just let me know when it is time for that [​IMG] so I can make a run for it
     
  11. SneakyDave

    SneakyDave Enthusiast

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    I think IB will eventually sell the vBulletin brand to somebody, IPB perhaps? I don't know who else would be interested in it.

    At first, I thought they might try to buy a (better) forum software unit and call it their own, like ubb did with wwwthreads, but they aren't looking to make a big splash, as evident by their purchase of forum runner.
     
  12. s.molinari

    s.molinari Leader of Skooppa

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    Joe, if you aren't getting paid by IB, then you've lost any respect you might have had from me. Because giving the kind of effort you give, which is a commendable part of your work even though you go even overboard on it sometimes, to a company like IB for free is just mind boggling.

    And about coding add-ons for XF, now I am getting into semantics, because I know what you mean, but I highly doubt you'd have to learn a whole new way to code. You have to learn a whole new way to code, when you change programming languages. What you'd need to learn is a whole different concept of programming architecture. The way you code, your methods, the language, the coding standards, should basically all stay the same, if you were coding best practices to begin with.

    Scott
     
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  13. GTB

    GTB Tazmanian

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    Think he is, as he has a vB Cloud same as Mark and other vB staff at same time. So read into that what you will, but looks as though he got a free one as paid staff to me. Unless giving free vB Cloud to none paid volunteer staff, do they even have none paid staff?
     
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  14. BirdOPrey5

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    It certainly seems like it. Subclassing and inheritance isn't something I ever worried about in VB3 or VB4. I need to become more comfortable with it I guess.

    Irony is that learning to code VB5 will help big picture in terms of coding XF.
     
  15. s.molinari

    s.molinari Leader of Skooppa

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    Yes, theoretically, if they programmed vB5 well. I would suggest though you learn how to extend Xenforo first and definitely learn the right way to program extensions of classes in OOP, before you start with vB5.;)

    Scott
     
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  16. jadmperry

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    The loss of market share seems to be speeding up. Now, vB has 67.4% of the market share. So, that is a drop of .6% in a week. (Actually, on the cookie report, if you look at the historical charts button, you can see the drop in market share is accelerating).
     
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  17. doubt

    doubt Tazmanian

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    As soon as XF speeds up its development, the loss will be superfast.
    (Invision''s development seems slowed down to a halt, can't hear anything about Woltlab's.)
     
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  18. we_are_borg

    we_are_borg Administrator

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    Woltlab has released version 4 of their software, IPB is still working on theirs and the possible release date that they gave was end of 2013 or beginning of 2014 no more info then that. IPB has lots of Blog entries about IPB 4 that is all ready included.

    Xenforo well they really need to step up they only have a basic forum software and a nifty resource manager but other then that no expansion beyond that. While WBB, IPB and well vBulletin 4 (sort of) could run a website, Xenforo is claiming the sites that does not yet need or do not want blogs, cms or any other tool(s).
     
  19. LeadCrow

    LeadCrow Apocalypse Admin

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    That could be explained this way:
    - forums are closing down entirely. Affects more the oldest vB installs, whose upgrade path is blocked, unless they migrate.
    - new forums are opening, but more are considering IPB and XF than vB now.

    The DP report could do well to filter stats by age, so it makes a difference between new forum (under a year's existence, or specific dates like vb5's gold release) and old ones. This particular stat's numbers may be the most revealing of current sale trends.
     
  20. DirtRider

    DirtRider bah humbug

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    Well if you think about it this has always been the case but VB always was far ahead and we never noticed such a dramatic decline until VB 5
     
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