Discussion in 'News & Announcements' started by The Sandman, May 25, 2018.
It takes about 15 minutes to block EU IP addresses. I'd say that's easier.
You run Wordpress, XF or IPS you upgrade and done. Nothing else ever to do, with blocking you still use cpu cycle to block.
Not so if you use any third party products. Google Analytics, Adsense, another analytics package, third-party SMTP hosting, newsletter add-on, outside search such as Threadloom, remote backup storage, CDN, etc. Payment processing needs to be reviewed if upgrade subscriptions are offered. With WordPress, since many (probably most) sites use third-party add-ons, each needs to be reviewed.
Then the time to review terms, rules, privacy policies, etc.
Agreed, No one likes these silly update rules, but that's life, accept it and move on.
Aye, but not the best idea and I don't know why they'd do it, unless thier site was solely aimed toward Americans. Our site is hosted in the US. Our 3 admins are Canadian, American and Irish respectively. A large number of our members are European, and the vast majority of those in the UK. Just banning your members is not the solution. I'm an EU citizen and I'm annoyed by the prospect that lazy people would ban me from content I wish to view. By banning the EU, you're banning 508 million people, a LOT more people than are in the USA and many of them might be great potential members. They should think about that.
Sure, it's been an inconvenience to have to accept TOS and cookies for all the blasted sites recently, but at the same time, I welcome the change. Isn't it about time laws were put in place to put manners on ****heads like Mark Zuckerberg who think that they can do what they like with our information?
When the same thing eventually happens in the US or Canada, and it probably will eventually, will those same people just narrow down their audience yet again? I doubt it. lol.
For most people, this law is just another annoying checkbox and/or interstitial to click through to get to "20 reasons why Gwyneth Paltrow is the greatest actress ever!". Actually it makes me curious. Are EU internet users really smart? Cause the implication is that everyone in the EU is actually going to read 2-3 page legal documents (required by a vague 75 page law) and make a reasoned decision about which websites to share their information with, but everyone in the US is going to just roll their face on the keyboard.
The fantastical utopia that the EU wants -- free websites with no targeted ads and no data collection -- will never happen. Creating content and hosting all has costs. Those costs cannot be covered by dumb "you're on a website about baseball, so here are typical 'heterosexual guy' ads" approach. Nobody is going to tolerate going back to 1990's style "dumb" ads.
The only way out of this is all websites going to a subscription. Many websites have tried, but people are so used to getting everything for "free" that they don't see any reason to pay. Websites had to start doing nefarious sh** to keep the lights on like sponsored content, click tracking, behavior modeling, and supercookies. Facebook and Google perfected it. Now, 20 years later we're trying to unring this bell.
By the way, I've already encountered one website that if you do not click Agree, the site refuses to serve you any more content. Some people say that's a violation.
Anyone who tells you this law is not trying to institute a monumental change in how the Internet will work in the FUTURE is woefully ignorant of how the internet works NOW.
Only one? I've lost count. I've also lost count of the number of sites I've visited that are not available to EU citizens or permanently undergoing maintenance. I clearly need to get out more
I did encounter one site that genuinely amused me. It gave me a nice menu of pre-checked opt-ins. I stopped opting out when I saw the scroll bar and realised that there were hundreds, possibly thousands of boxes to opt out of. Genius!
This is an argument that has happened multiple times on this very site. For some sites it's not a killer because they're localised sites that don't contextually matter to the EU (think sites that are local sites for local people), but for most sites it may come to end up mattering.
Yes. That's exactly what GDPR is doing. It's the first step in doing away with all the "nefarious sh**" that companies have gotten away with for years. Those who profit from those underhanded practices will shout and wring their hands, just like they did when the same thing happened to print, and when the same thing happened to radio, and when the same thing happened to television. And then life will go on and companies will adapt to the new way of doing things.
A refreshing perspective after reading so many EU folks who say the laws are "common sense", "simple", "easy to implement" and should have no "significant impact" on current businesses. This is a sea change. I wonder how many irreplaceable websites will go away and how many people will appreciate paying more for content on sites they use daily.
They aren't wrong. There will be very little impact on companies that currently respect users' privacy and data. Just as a crackdown on employee theft won't have much affect on honest employees.
I don't think many sites are going away, either. They may have their profit margins lowered, but they'll take that over no profit at all.
Print, TV and radio weren't hampered by regulation of this natures, it was changes in technology which caused adaptation.
There are many smaller operations who don't do anything nefarious, yet still must spend money to make sure they follow the letter of the law (and that's difficult because even attorneys disagree about what some things mean). Its an added cost of business for everyone, not just the nefarious players, and gives even some of the "good guys" reason to wring their hands.
Anyone who believes there isn't an added cost, well my bank account says otherwise due to clients of mine paying for me to implement letter of the law compliance.
All of those media have been subjected to regulation primarily because of advertisers making spurious claims and other dishonest practices. It took governmental intervention each time to keep them from continuing to bilk people.
I agree that complying with GDPR isn't a easy as it could be (blame typical bureaucratic obfuscation), especially for smaller companies. I acknowledge there can be costs, but that often goes with any change, be it technology, legal, or policy related.
No, they didn't. I'd more or less call it an abuse. They started doing shady ****e with our information. Stuff like selling user data to Cambridge Analytica who used it to target users politically in the USA and UK. Things like this are the reason for this law. If Facebook and people like them had truly perfected anything, this law wouldn't have been introduced in the first place.
As for your view on targetted ads, most people hate them. It's just the way it is. I would actually rather pay a subscription or give a donation to a site that I enjoy a lot than be bombarded with ridiculous ads that I'm never going to click on. Some admins that think that targetted ads are great, and call people cheapskates for blocking them, and adding tracking blocks, clearly don't understand how people think. They're annoying.
If I visit a site about dogs, just as an example. I would much rather that you had affiliate links with trusted petfood suppliers and so forth where I could buy stuff and support you than have you bombard me with ads relating to shops I've visited before, or certain scam links to chinese knock off shops. I don't click on those targetted ads. That's why I use an adblock and will continue to use one. I might have it turned off for places I like and visit a lot, but still have a no track.
Funny, I went back to the Ad Blocker thread a few minutes ago to look up some info I recall being there...
One of the complaints by people who use ad blockers was "I hate that ads are NOT personalized, I don't want to see ads about X, Y, Z, I want to see ads that are targetted."
Yet another example of the real underlying issue: people want everything free, and will come up with excuses to justify it.
I think that's more of a symptom that having one solution that tries to accommodate everyone doesn't work.
On the one hand you've got the advertising - which has historically paid for a lot of things (radio, TV haven't been paid for in the US, why should the internet be?)
On the other hand, you've got people who are willing to pay for content but because there's historically been enough people that didn't want to pay, that it was deemed (and for many sites will still be the case that) it was unviable doing it that way.
And for advertising specifically, some people like targeted advertising because it shows them things they might actually buy.
Others don't like it because it either makes them feel uncomfortable that they're being spied on, or it makes them frustrated because it shows them utterly irrelevant things. I think the final straw for me was a couple of years ago when I'd buy something on Amazon and then see that same item advertised everywhere for the next two weeks. That's not targeted advertising, that's just idiocy.
Yeah, but most of that is invisible to users. But then again, they whine, and cry about small things.