IPB4 / xF: 2015's opinions?

Discussion in 'Forum Software Development' started by jekyll, Jul 13, 2015.

  1. tomk

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    4.0.10 is old news, 4.0.10.1 will be out in a few minutes, I'd imagine 4.0.10.2 later today or tomorrow.

    QA, we don't need no stinkin' QA.
     
  2. Digital Phoenix

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    Why pay someone to QA when your users will do it for free? :whistle:
     
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  3. Tracy Perry

    Tracy Perry Opinionated asshat

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    You referring to the side-bar?

    Screen-Shot-2015-07-13-at-9.59.33-AM.jpg

    If so, I'm sure that can be styled. Issue is that since their user base is not that large, there are not that many people really doing that much "pushing the envelope" with it.
     
  4. the grayson

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    I think in regards to styles, that is likely subjective to the individual user. Only because of what we find to be attractive or suitable for styles will differ between customers so I probably wouldn't use that as criteria as to which is better or worse. But I do agree with your overall post.
    Yes and No...
    Yes because it is a complete rewrite so all of the existing contributions are not applicable with Version 4.

    No because considering the product is new and only recently released gold, they do have a pretty decent selection of skins as well as 3rd party resources thus far in a short time. From what I gather many of the 3.X products are being updated regularly to Version 4
    https://community.invisionpower.com/files/


    I was wrong. I tis actually more than 30 percent of their users.

    I used the reference to DP cookie tracker
    https://tools.digitalpoint.com/cookie-search

    Scroll down. 32% percent of IPS customers are running on Version 4
     
  5. Tracy Perry

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    That's all users including new ones (like me). If i'm a new licensee, why would i want to run the legacy code?
    It's a pity it can't break down the actual number of legacy that have performed an upgrade.

    What I find amusing from those charts is a whole 0.3% of the vBulletin base are on version 5 and 2.2% on 5.1.
     
  6. the grayson

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    If I am no mistaken, it actually Is still possible to buy 4.X and run 3.x if you so choose
     
  7. Tracy Perry

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    You can.. and I had to, to do the conversion of the site from myBB 1.8 to IPS. But the point was - why would one want to run the legacy code if you were new to the script.

    Kind of like paying $500,000 for last years Lamborghini and you could have gotten this years for the same price - why go with the old when you can do newer.
     
  8. the grayson

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    A good likelihood is that while the code is legacy, the add-on and style support for their 3.X line is still higher than the 4.x line is and this also gives individuals time to move to that particular platform while giving a little more time for 4.X to mature. I've seen some users do this. With VB, but they quickly discovered that they were waiting for a mature VB5 for nothing.

    Another reason is that you can still run a perfectly adequate forum on their 3.X line for some time to come as well. Nothing really too bad about it.
     
  9. Tracy Perry

    Tracy Perry Opinionated asshat

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    Depends on ones point of view and requirements.
     
  10. jekyll

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    Oh, IPB.

    My demo still has bandwidth issues. I registered on their forums (as "Some-User") to tell them. After confirming my account, I could not log in because a "-" was "not allowed" ...

    :rolleyes:
     
  11. Tracy Perry

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    Guess they have a thing against hyphenated names.
     
  12. Rasty

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    My Woltlab site has no pop-ups ever.
     
  13. jekyll

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    ^ This is finally a WBB with a distinctive design. Nice. :)
     
  14. jekyll

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    I've (finally) been playing with the IPB4 suite for half a day now and am deply impressed. Everything's so clean. :love:

    Now if they would finally get the BBcode editor right, next time my xF needs a renewal, I'll throw a dice.
     
  15. tomk

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    jekyll What stood out for you, and what are the things you like best about it?
     
  16. Tracy Perry

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    My biggest issue is (compared to XenForo) the complexity of simple stuff like using CSS to change the looks of a pinned/locked topic. Trying to find the CSS selectors (if there ARE any) that are specific to the pinned/sticky is driving me nuts. In XF it's a simple as
    Code:
    .discussionList .sticky
    for the base selector and then adding the other selectors (for avatar, post controls, etc) that you need. It appears that in addition to some CSS, you have to edit the templates to add additional CSS style designative properties in... which I don't really mind doing but their templates are just as "different" as their CSS designators.

    The CSS in IPS seems unnecessarily obtuse - for example
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    html[dir="ltr"] .ipsColumns > .ipsColumn:last-child:not( .ipsPad )
    
    or
    Code:
    html[dir="ltr"] .ipsToolList.ipsToolList_horizontal > li
    
    You can (once you start getting familiar with it) follow the "logic" behind it, but good luck on trying to find any real documentation on it.
     
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  17. jekyll

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    tomk I can't really decide which certain thing caught my eye. I might write down a couple of notes here though (from a XenForo user's POV, phpBB would be an unfair comparison).

    First impression (front-end): Everything's kept tidy. It looks professional and well-thought, especially when being compared to the other "major" paid board systems. I can't remember having seen such a clean, good looking default template before. Well, MyBB's 1.8 drafts went into a similar direction but they were already much more colorful. Where XenForo tries to set its accents with little spots of color and round borders, IPB has dark, noble squares all over the place. Very easy on the eyes. The status updates area is awesome; while I (personally) wouldn't need it, I can't remember having seen a more powerful (built-in) one yet. Oh, and I like the lack of things that open in JavaScript layers immediately. Finally I can move my mouse without accidentally having to look at other things.

    First impression (admin area): This board system surely seems to be built for companies rather than individuals. There is a large Dollar sign in the settings, allowing me to set "commercial goals" and payments. Nice to have if I'll ever want to make money with a forum. That said, the whole admin area does things quite a lot better than XenForo. XenForo and its add-ons can (in my very own opinion) be a bit annoying with its settings in not immediately obvious submenus. This part of the IP.Board takes into consideration that today's desktop screens are becoming wider and wider while still being responsive. The split into a "main menu" on the left side and a "submenu" on the right left side :noid: does not waste my wide screen space, on my smartphone (and when I make my desktop browser small enough) it all lands in a "burger menu" without losing functionality or clearness. Nice.

    Second impressions: It seems to be virtually impossible to make a bad looking IPB theme. However, since the Community Suite is still young, the grayson was obviously right. The (former) "official" German support forums don't have much v4 activity yet, which is quite different from the xF scene where everyone seems to run new beta versions whenever they come out. IPB's price tag is very hard though. I guess I'd start with a not-so-new license if the dice tells me to.

    Now if they only brought back the BBcodes. :rant:

    (I just noticed my typo. I'll let it stand here for ashaming reasons.)
     
  18. Sherrie

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    Popups can be disabled and the sidebar can be customised, you can choose all sorts of things to have in there or not have it at all.
     
  19. TimeDev

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    I am between the 2 right now, I think Xenforo is a better forum but I love the IPB completeness with official addons. I really dont want the mess of the vBulletin era where you had to use a lot of plugins to add stuff back in (caveat I know I would need addons for both but major features like CMS are nice if they are official) and hoping it all works. The major niggles for IPB for me are some things are too basic because they have not seen them as important enough, no importer... and performance isnt anywhere near as epic as Xenforo currently. They also have search system issues which they are promising improvements in September but its all a bit slow. I have seen 2 big sites move across and 1 had a few issues but generally the userbase was happy and the other was a bit of a disaster with hate from all the users after so its a mixed bag.
     
  20. PacMan

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    ZeroHour Which big sites are on IPB 4?
     
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