Google problem

Discussion in 'Forum SEO' started by Scribbller, Apr 8, 2004.

  1. Scribbller

    Scribbller The dude

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    We turned to you people for help about a couple of months ago and some suggestions were pretty good, unique hits per month for our website have been going up slowly but atleast they are, anyways here is the problem, We run a sports forum at http://www.nxsports.net, i have added meta tags to the index.php file that redirects to http://forums.nxsports.net but the problem is we apear no where under sports key word on google or for that matter under sports forum, we are listed because when I type nxsports.net on google we do get displayed, any idea how to solve this problem ie apear under both sports and sports forum key word.


    Regards
    Scribbller
     
  2. quentin

    quentin Habitué

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    well "sports" is an ultra competitive keyword.
    Site ranked #10 on GG has a PR of 8,
    site ranked #20 has a PR of 7,
    site ranked #30 has a PR of 7,
    site ranked #100 has a PR of 6...

    and your site has a PR of... 4.
    To rank high on such a keyword is not a story of meta tags or on-page optimization. It's a matter of getting *many* incoming links to your sites (and i mean many), so that you reach a similar level of internet fame as ESPN or sports.com.
    To make a long story short, i think you are targetting a keyword way too competitive for your current site's size.
    You should definitely try to focus on "sports forum", which is already somehow competitive and for which i couldn't find your site in the first 30 results, which is basically equivalent for not being listed in terms of the traffic it may bring to you.
    You will already need to work a bit on your incoming links if you want to reach first page for that keyword, i wouldn't think about the first page for "sports" before your site has grown much bigger than what it currently is.

    By the way, using a meta-tag redirection is not the best one you could think of. A server side generated 301 (or 302 if you ever plan to do something on the www page) redirect would probably be better, at least as far as search engines are concerned.
     
  3. Lugh

    Lugh Habitué

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    One definite problem, and one 'maybe' problem:

    1. Your domain has only 3-4 incoming links reported by Google. Google gives that as the primary reason why a site doesn't show up in their index.

    You have got to go get a lot more quality incoming links.

    2. The redirect may be a problem, although hopefully not in your case. Sneaky webmasters use redirects to try and fool surfers and Google, so Google is wary of them.

    Try a normal HTML page for your WWW page, with some content about your forums and of course a link to them.

    [edit: shouldn't have got that cuppa while Quentin was posting :D]
     
  4. Scribbller

    Scribbller The dude

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    I used to have a portal at http://www.nxsports.net but it wasnt quite working out because since we cover all the sports, it was a hell of a job updating each and every sport, so i removed the portal and had www.nxsports.net get redirected to forums.nxsports.net i dont know how that can cause a problem ie if it does, how do i get more incomming links specially for sites similar in nature. BTW quentin how do I make sure that i get listed for a particular keyword.
     
  5. Scribbller

    Scribbller The dude

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    Sorry for the double post, but another question for quentin how do i create a server side 301 or 302 redirect.
     
  6. quentin

    quentin Habitué

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    contact similar sites' webmasters and ask for link exchanges, submit your site to dmoz, yahoo and sports directories etc.


    there is no such thing as a way to be sure to get listed for a certain keyword. Things that may help though:
    - having those keywords in the anchor text of incoming links to the page (included internal links)
    - having those keywords in the page title
    - having the keywords in the dmoz description (although im not too sure that is still ok).

    301:


    header("HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently");
    header("Location: http://www.newdomain.com/newpage/newurl.htm");
    exit();


    302:
    header("Location: http://www.newdomain.com/newpage/newurl.htm");
    exit();
     
  7. Scribbller

    Scribbller The dude

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    err dont want to sound stupid but how do i add this redirect.
     
  8. quentin

    quentin Habitué

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    :)

    index.php:

    <?php
    header("HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently");
    header("Location: http://forums.nxsports.net/");
    exit();
    ?>
     
  9. Scribbller

    Scribbller The dude

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    I have a big problem, my page rank was 4 yesterday but when I came online today it had dropped down to 2, any idea why that would happen.
     
  10. LPH

    LPH Sponsor

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    Google Dance

    Not sure if this is helpful but I noticed a big change in the search engine results around midnight last night. Sites that used to be at the top are pages down and different ones are now listed at the top. Guess the google dance has gone from a waltz to punk rock. :whistle:
     
  11. accyroy

    accyroy Giant Hedgehog

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    yup - all my sites have dropped! grrrrrr at google!
     
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