Forum Ad Blocking Crisis: What YOU can do about it!

By Shawn Gossman · Jul 17, 2016 ·
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  1. KimmiKat

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    That sounds great. At least doing it yourself, there is no worries about any ad-networks sneaking in questionable adverts.

     
  2. JordanH

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    How are internet users practicing their freedom? They don't have the freedom to come onto my websites, they do not have the right to browse my content. It is a PRIVILEGE that can be taken away.

    Every single forum I own, I always include this statement in the ToS:
    • [Name] is a privately owned website. Therefore, your "right" to free speech is limited. We do not tolerate personal attacks or harassment. Anyone caught doing so, will be infracted if not banned.
    • You do not have a "right" to be on this website. It is a privilege! That privilege can, and will be removed if necessary.
    This also stops those who try to argue the "I have the right to free speech" argument to get away with nasty stuff.

    First of all, it all depends where the website is hosted. (90% of the time, my sites aren't even hosted in USA. I'm Canadian) So your First Amendment is not even law here.
    Two, if it was hosted in USA, your right to free speech may not be what you think it is.

    "America's right to free speech" is protection against government censorship. That's all. Private organizations, such as newspapers, magazines, and websites may make their own rules about what they will publish or permit. [Source]

    With that out of the way and back on topic, if I want to serve advertisements, and you try to block them off, simply put, I don't have to allow you to see the content of my sites. That is not throwing your freedom out the window. That is practicing my freedom of revoking the privileged of people to use my websites and services.

    Even adblock themselves say "If it's a site you enjoy and visit frequently, and the ads it shows are reasonable and non-intrusive, we encourage you to whitelist the site to support the content provider."

    I'm not saying that removing people's access to your websites is a good idea, you could be sending away potential customers and long term members. There are still solutions out there, but your article did not name one xD Your entire thing was just a rant.
     
  3. Shin Ryoku

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    "Then when they realize internet users are practicing their freedom by blocking the advertisements on their forums, the forum owner throws freedom right out the window and starts to combat their own users for blocking advertisements. To hell with internet freedom, they are digging into my profits! Got Hypocrisy?"

    Not hypocritical at all. I think you misunderstand what freedom means. It doesn't mean you get to do anything you want, anywhere you want. We're talking about privately-owned websites here. We have no obligation to let anyone visit or use our sites.

    That said, I don't think blocking AdBlock users is likely to be a successful strategy for any forum. A lot of folks would simply move on (leave your site), and a handful of them would blather on endlessly about it in your forums, which would only serve to make more members think about blocking ads.
     
  4. mysiteguy

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    You block this with non-registered users, so the topic never gets a chance to come up in the first place.
     
  5. Shin Ryoku

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    In that case, they are definitely gonna move on (leave the site).
     
  6. Skybound

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    This just published on AFP:

     
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  7. Alex.

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    99.9% of Americans don't even understand what the 1st amendment entails. The majority believe they can run their mouth without legal recourse. :confused:
     
  8. Shin Ryoku

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  9. mysiteguy

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    FB needs to deploy it without differentiation between ad and non-ad CSS/HTML elements, as well as randomizing IDs. Then the only way to block it will require some "machine intelligence" about the actual content delivered rather than simple pattern matching.
     
  10. Shin Ryoku

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    It's weird that FB came out and made this huge announcement without having a good implementation. They just got a very public beatdown. Hopefully this gets them motivated to do something better about ad blocking.
     
  11. Alex.

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    Well they did something today that was new. WAN based ads. It got knocked down in a few hours. LOL

    This got rid of the sponsored post spam.

    Code:
    www.facebook.com##div[data-xt]
    Taken from Easylist's forum.
     
  12. mysiteguy

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    They're doing the exact opposite of what I suggested they do by using a fixed id like "data-xt".

    Don't use a fixed DIV id. Randomize them on the page, different from one page to another and do it for non-ads as well. It will render Easylist's pattern matching useless.

    Or maybe they can resort to making this a headache for the ad block companies.... each day have their systems generate a random id used for that day only, so the blockers filter it out and the next day they have come out with a new filter all over again!
     
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  13. Alex.

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    The actual system ABP put out molds with whatever Facebook does. I posted a link to a temporary fix. The problem with that suggestion is just about anyone can push a fix to the project, rendering Facebook's efforts useless. It's a company vs. thousands of people who don't want ads. If I were Facebook, I'd be desperate too, considering it's a useless site and manages to make money through advertising alone. And having said that, their ads aren't up to snuff.

    I'd be surprised if Facebook could hold out for more than a week at any one time.
     
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  14. doubt

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    My thoughts are stolen!!! :eek:
    :p
     
  15. mysiteguy

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    With the once day ID method, yes, but not with the random ids for every page method. Report it and push a fix. The fix will be useless before it even gets pushed --- the next browser refresh delivers a page with different div ids.

    You remind me of one those cranky old men who thinks any kind of music he doesn't listen to sucks and is useless!

    If it were useless it would not have so many users. It obviously fulfills a need/want in the marketplace or people wouldn't use it in such large numbers.
     
  16. Alex.

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    Pushes get pushed out rapidly. Otherwise there's a push to update every 12 hours. This is going to be a Tom and Jerry fest, with adblocking software winning in each round.
     
  17. KimmiKat

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    The issues with the ad-blockers could be mostly solved if they stuck with simple ads instead of those that pop-out at you.
     
  18. mysiteguy

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    Nope, 32% have whitelisted the site simply by asking. I don't guess, I measure.
     
  19. mysiteguy

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    You can push out a million updates per day, if every page uses random div ids, no amount of pushes will work around it. Facebook did not put their best and brightest on this project.
     
  20. Shin Ryoku

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    Doesn't that mean that 68% moved on? That's a lot of people who might otherwise have signed up or spread the word.
     
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