Beto O'Rourke wants to ban internet forums hate speech

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  1. Alfa1

    Alfa1 Administrator

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    Safe harbour and hate speech on internet forums has become a talking point in the 2020 Presidential Election.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/16/...lan-gun-violence-white-nationalism/index.html
     
  2. TrixieTang

    TrixieTang Politically Incorrect

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    Who the hell cares what ROBERT FRANCIS wants? He's not going to be President.
     
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  3. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Senior Citizen

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    That's exactly what they said about Trump. :(

    O'Rourke's ideas might be a bit over-reach, but might also have some merit.
     
  4. MagicalAzareal

    MagicalAzareal Magical Developer

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    Define "incites violence" and "fail to take steps".
     
  5. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Senior Citizen

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    O'Rourke isn't a member here, so obviously can't answer. It's an idea he expressed, so it isn't like it's all hashed out and ready for a vote. And he doesn't seem to be the type to just do what he wants via Executive Order, if he became President. Perhaps some changes will evolve from these ideas, no matter who becomes our 46th president. It might not be so bad if some version of these ideas come to fruition. Why shouldn't webmasters be accountable in some fashion for the content on their sites?
     
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  6. Ingenious

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    Nothing to see here really, he's calling for TOS that most sane forums already have. I think we all have TOS that refuse to allow trolling, hate, racism, unlawful activities etc? And when this happens we or moderators take action to deal with it, so we are already holding ourselves accountable.

    The notion that a site is "not responsible" for user content is largely a smoke screen created by $$$$$ making concerns for whom dealing with problems would cost money and therefore needs to be avoided unless legislation forces them to. But good communities DO care what is posted.
     
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  7. MagicalAzareal

    MagicalAzareal Magical Developer

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    The problem with this comes from the idea that it might impose unrealistic constraints on sites and that they might just opt to immediately take content down without questioning it as that it the path of least resistance.
     
  8. Jim McClain

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    What would those be? Is it unreasonable to hold someone accountable for what they own, how it is used and, in most cases, how they make money off it? Since O'Rourke didn't offer specific details as to what these "constraints" would be, we don't know if any of them would be unrealistic.
     
  9. MagicalAzareal

    MagicalAzareal Magical Developer

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    From experiance with every other law passed by politicians lately.
     
  10. TrixieTang

    TrixieTang Politically Incorrect

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    They did say that about Trump... but I didn't. :p

    My guess is that his definition would be "Anything that I, personally, disagree with or find offensive."
     
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  11. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Senior Citizen

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    That's what's called contempt prior to investigation.
     
  12. Joeychgo

    Joeychgo TAZ Administrator

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    There are a number of reasons this would never happen. The courts would block any such law under freedom of speech. Even if they somehow got past that - how would you even enforce such a law? It would take millions of law enforcement officers to monitor all the websites out there and take action.

    Its political rhetoric -- just like Mexico is gonna pay for the wall.
     
  13. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Senior Citizen

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    Could be rhetoric, there's a lot of that going around. But they've found a way to make bartenders and owners accountable for drunks; they have made it a crime to shout FIRE in crowded venues and there are already laws banning certain other forms of expression. So, there are a number of reasons this would happen, even if it's all watered down. Then some politician will also claim this would be a wonderful job creator - more law enforcement, more lawyers, more forum moderators. ;)
     
  14. Drastic

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    Beto Potato won't win anything.

    He's a complete moron.
     
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  15. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Senior Citizen

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    Try to resist the urge to troll. If the conversation isn't exciting enough for you, find one that is.
     
  16. MagicalAzareal

    MagicalAzareal Magical Developer

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    Not necessarily, they could block such a law, you really overestimate the power (and will) of the courts. Even if they do block it, it could be in force for quite a while before it is blocked.
     
  17. overcast

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    Ban. This is how communist start their power over the state.
     
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  18. Klaatu

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    Maybe. I'm sure he can spell "hamburger" though.
     
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  19. Wetworx

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    It appears that the Left requires us to not use our 1st Amendment rights, to protect those rights. You know?
     
  20. Joeychgo

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    lets not get into the left/right politics stuff. Both sides do what serves them at the moment.
     
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