What's happening with MyBB 2?

My question to macfanpl is why in the world would you post publicly and in such a way that puts the current project managers in a defensive position about a software you want to take over? Surely if this was a genuine offer you would have presented yourself in a professional manner.

Steve said:

Surely if this was a genuine offer you would have presented yourself in a professional manner.

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The problem here is that this no longer is an offer.... we are discussing the attitude of MyBB team and alike.....We no longer are interested in MyBB.
If we were, than I wouldnt post here; at least with different tone.....

Or - if you pertain to original post on community.mybb.com (the one that got deleted) - it was written in very professional tone. Its MyBB's team who deleted in in order now to put all the blame on me. And to justify first muting me, and later banning me. They are real culprits here, not me.

Ah so it was just you publicly criticizing the project managers then?

Any professional would have been in contact via email so the correspondence was kept private.

Steve said:

Ah so it was just you publicly criticizing the project managers then?

Any professional would have been in contact via email so the correspondence was kept private.

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I wasnt criticizing mananger (Chris), I was just saying what I think.....
And whats the point of keeping ctritique private when its public project?

Critique is one thing but making an offer (if you did) and sharing company information (if you did) in public seems like a "We're can do this better" attitude just to prove a point you were trying to make.

To note I did not visit MyBB site to see if you did or didn't.

Steve said:

and sharing company information (if you did) in public seems like a "We're can do this better"

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whats wrong in this attitude?

macfanpl said:

Mark your words please. With each reply like this you are closer and closer to being sued......

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This forum is not an appropriate place for making legal threats against another member.

macfanpl said:

Whats the date of oldest entry in moderation log currently? There is good chance log has been purged since post (soft)deletion.

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Convenient. All soft deleted posts appear as unapproved posts on your profile. Staff can see all of those posts.

macfanpl said:

No I cannot. I dont like to repeat myself..... All is (was) included in deleted post.....

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Well isn’t that convenient...

zappaDPJ said:

This forum is not an appropriate place for making legal threats against another member.

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I wasnt threatening. It wasnt threat. I was just saying what will happen if they (MyBB team) do not stop accusing me falsely with the sole purpose of maintain clean image..... I will defend my image regardless everything.

All I want to prove with my input into this topic is that I was unfairly treated by MyBB team and they clearly knows it. Thats why they deleted post where I presented my plan(s) whats going to happen IF I (=we) take over MyBB ownership. They deleted it on purpose so now they can pretend not to know whats being talked about and to make it easier to blame me (my behaviour) for having to ban me. Thats it.

Tom Kent said:

Convenient. All soft deleted posts appear as unapproved posts on your profile. Staff can see all of those posts.
Well isn’t that convenient...

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What is(was) your point you were trying to make with this post Tom?

Just out of curiosity Tom:: when user (with post moderation turned on) creates a post it lands in moderation queue, right?
When moderator accepts moderated post it becomes visible to public and disappear from moderation queue.... right?
when mod deletes post, it - according to you - is soft deleted and lands ..... in moderation queue (!) Isnt it strange? So how does mod know which post is soft deleted and which is not accepted? some kind of flag?

macfanpl said:

The problem here is that this no longer is an offer.... we are discussing the attitude of MyBB team and alike.....We no longer are interested in MyBB.
If we were, than I wouldnt post here; at least with different tone.....

Or - if you pertain to original post on community.mybb.com (the one that got deleted) - it was written in very professional tone. Its MyBB's team who deleted in in order now to put all the blame on me. And to justify first muting me, and later banning me. They are real culprits here, not me.

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The original post on the forums that only you seem to have knowledge of? I can assure everyone here that, in fact, none of your posts have ever been written in a professional tone... I’m sure that’s not something that is a massive shock to everyone here.

After all, what really matters is that MyBB owners have frustrated their community for 10 years and were never apologetic about it.

The cycle is the same:

Tease us
Get us involved and spreading the message for them
Refuse to help normal users, protecting their power users who profit from MyBB, and who serve as first line of vicious attack against normies
Show total unresponsiveness and childish arrogance
Get criticized
Fail to deliver
Treat us with contempt
Get harsh criticism
Cry "unfair! we do this for charity in our spare time, we need to work for food"
Receive proposals for take over or crowd funding to get things ahead
Castle back and say that this is the socialist spirit of MyBB
Community abandons them
Reform project
Release stuff 10 years obsolete and promiss now things will change
Plugins get all messed up
Teases us that things will get better
Get new users involved again to start over and spread the message for them
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Rinse and repeat, never ever apologizing, because you know, they're perfect and we are heartless.

Zakk said:

After all, what really matters is that MyBB owners have frustrated their community for 10 years and were never apologetic about it.

The cycle is the same:

Tease us
Get us involved and spreading the message for them
Refuse to help normal users, protecting their power users who profit from MyBB, and who serve as first line of vicious attack against normies
Show total unresponsiveness and childish arrogance
Get criticized
Fail to deliver
Treat us with contempt
Get harsh criticism
Cry "unfair! we do this for charity in our spare time, we need to work for food"
Receive proposals for take over or crowd funding to get things ahead
Castle back and say that this is the socialist spirit of MyBB
Community abandons them
Reform project
Release stuff 10 years obsolete and promiss now things will change
Plugins get all messed up
Teases us that things will get better
Get new users involved again to start over and spread the message for them
.....
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Rinse and repeat, never ever apologizing, because you know, they're perfect and we are heartless.

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Thats EXACTLY what it is.... nothing less.
They (MyBB team) got what they deserved.....

macfanpl said:

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What is(was) your point you were trying to make with this post Tom?

Just out of curiosity Tom:: when user (with post moderation turned on) creates a post it lands in moderation queue, right?
When moderator accepts moderated post it becomes visible to public and disappear from moderation queue.... right?
when mod deletes post, it - according to you - is soft deleted and lands ..... in moderation queue (!) Isnt it strange? So how does mod know which post is soft deleted and which is not accepted? some kind of flag?

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To clarify, the posts appear as if they are unapproved posts on your profile but do not actually enter the moderation queue. The appear in the postbit as soft-deleted posts (which are displayed almost identically to unapproved posts).

Thus, we can see every post that has been removed by staff. The reason for this is to keep track of edits and posts deleted for future reference.

Tom Kent said:

The original post on the forums that only you seem to have knowledge of?

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This is perfect example of arrogance Zakk is talking about......

And one more thing Tom Kent :: why didnt you respond to my request for contact from/to the person with SSH access? I think I know the answer, but want to hear/read it from you
Im reffering to this:

macfanpl said:

Contact me with someone having SSH access,provide logs, or give me SSH access so I could check.....

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I must say, I am actually impressed that macfanpl / devs / testAccount is still around with same old bullcrap. Did we hit the two years mark yet?

rafalp said:

I must say, I am actually impressed that macfanpl / devs / testAccount is still around with same old bullcrap. Did we hit the two years mark yet?

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Id suggest you go and stick your nose somewhere else, IF you have nothing constructive to say/add, Rafał

macfanpl said:

Id suggest you go and stick your nose somewhere else, IF you have nothing constructive to say/add, Rafał

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But what's there to add really? You been explained what's wrong about your behavior in two languages and at least dozen of people over the span two years and multiple internet sites and yet you are continuing with it. I think its quite obvious now to everyone involved that this has turned into an obsession for you. Different people become obsessive about different things. For you its bunch of PHP files.

I just cannot keep my amazement at this to myself.

xD

macfanpl said:

This is perfect example of arrogance Zakk is talking about......

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You confuse arrogance with honesty. You’re suggesting that there is some conspiracy to hide some water tight proposal you made to take over MyBB. Why not just contact Chris directly? Or if we were covering up this deal, why not post it somewhere like TAZ where the MyBB staff can’t delete the posts?

Simply apply Occam’s razor to this situation, what is more likely, that there is a concerted effort to hide this plan from the world, as well as prevent Chris from finding out and firing the team. That you did indeed post this information, but can’t reproduce it when asked later. Or, the post never existed, and the only plans posted were those that are there on the community forums.

Frankly, I’m tired of debating this takeover with you. If you had approached Chris with a reasonable plan, then he would have responded accordingly. As Chris has never mentioned such a proposal I’m guessing you didn’t ask him in a direct, professional manner. Posting a vague plan on the community forums is like walking into the Microsoft headquarters and suggesting that you take over the company by writing the details on some stationery in the lobby. An appropriate takeover proposal would have included proper documentation from both parties, as well as lawyers to negotiate transferring the MyBB IP and access to critical services and infrastructure.

We always welcome contributions from the community, it is what makes the FOSS software space so incredible. MyBB is no exception, we always try to help users to the best of our ability, with staff assisting in every aspect of running the project. Nevertheless, it is not simply the staff that are important, every single contributor and user is also. Without those users MyBB would have failed back in 2004. The current team have made great effort to improve transparency with the community (10 years ago most decisions were made behind the scenes), holding polls and starting a Discord to engage the community in ways that are more suited to modern times. We, and members of the community, have made excellent progress on 1.9, in an attempt to give the community what they want as opposed to blindly following a staff decision made many years ago (MyBB 2.0).

MyBB can certainly improve, we can always code faster, we can always be more transparent. But we cannot do everything alone. The team is the glue that holds the project together, we run the critical services like the forums, but ultimately the team and community together are what make MyBB great.

If you want to crowdfund developers, then there is NOTHING stopping you. We would welcome daily commits from a handful of paid developers. The unfortunate truth is, however, that there simply isn’t enough crowdfunding in the free forum space to dedicate a team of paid developers to the project. The only way around this would be to develop MyBB as a paid software to balance those costs and MyBB is and always will be free. Nevertheless, should you wish to develop a derivative of MyBB as a paid software the license allows that entirely.

macfanpl said:

And one more thing Tom Kent :: why didnt you respond to my request for contact from/to the person with SSH access? I think I know the answer, but want to hear/read it from you
Im reffering to this:

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Currently the only people with SSH access I believe are Euan and Devilshakerz, as these two perform manual backups when upgrading to the latest MyBB version.

I’m not entirely sure what you need SSH logs of exactly. It should be plainly clear that we are not going to give out SSH access to some random stranger on the internet.

Tom Kent said:

isn’t enough crowdfunding in the free forum space to dedicate a team of paid developers to the project

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Thats one reason of my proposal - to rapidly speed up development by means of creating dedicated team of highly skilled developers.....

Tom Kent said:

But we cannot do everything alone

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I wholeheartedly agree. Its close to impossible with the team of volunteers and with project thats codebase is growing and team has ambitious plans...... the move from project run by volunteers to project being under wings of a company (even with the very same people/developers but now employees) is at some point of time/project growth) inevitable.....

Tom Kent said:

We always welcome contributions from the community, it is what makes the FOSS software space so incredible. MyBB is no exception, we always try to help users to the best of our ability, with staff assisting in every aspect of running the project. Nevertheless, it is not simply the staff that are important, every single contributor and user is also. Without those users MyBB would have failed back in 2004. The current team have made great effort to improve transparency with the community (10 years ago most decisions were made behind the scenes), holding polls and starting a Discord to engage the community in ways that are more suited to modern times. We, and members of the community, have made excellent progress on 1.9, in an attempt to give the community what they want as opposed to blindly following a staff decision made many years ago (MyBB 2.0).

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See it slightly different but dont want to start war here..... to put it simple :: you (team) have focused on trivial/not needed things (like mentioned Discord).... instead of focusing all members on improving MyBB, bugfixes, new functions etc....

Tom Kent said:

Frankly, I’m tired of debating this takeover with you. If you had approached Chris with a reasonable plan, then he would have responded accordingly. As Chris has never mentioned such a proposal I’m guessing you didn’t ask him in a direct, professional manner. Posting a vague plan on the community forums is like walking into the Microsoft headquarters and suggesting that you take over the company by writing the details on some stationery in the lobby. An appropriate takeover proposal would have included proper documentation from both parties, as well as lawyers to negotiate transferring the MyBB IP and access to critical services and infrastructure.

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Frankly - likewise, but thats not the point here I didnt approached Chris as I wanted to know what you (team) think of this before I contact him. There is absolutely no point in contacting him without this knowledge. Its called business-orientation. And this post wasnt vague - it was very detailed post and thats why it got (soft- or no-soft) deleted. If I got positive feedback from you than Id contact Chris and we'd talk about all what you describe (lawyers and formalities etc).....