Eight Years of Facebook Was Enough For Me

zappaDPJ · Apr 10, 2018

mysiteguy said:
What I plan to do is create a new FB account (personal) with an email address used only for that. Then transfer all my sites admin to it, and then delete my regular FB account. And never post anything with the new personal account. It will be there only because FB requires it to admin the site accounts.

That was pretty much what I had in mind when I created my only account but a couple of careless clicks later it and it seems the entire world has access to my dirty laundry. But that's a good suggestion, I might take another stab at it on different hardware from behind a different IP. I might even try wearing a tinfoil hat for good measure

Bigguy · Apr 10, 2018

Anyone see Mark Zuckerburg on the news today. ?? Hows that make everyone feel. ?? Makes me sick really.

Ummagumma · Apr 10, 2018

Bigguy said:
Anyone see Mark Zuckerburg on the news today. ?? Hows that make everyone feel. ?? Makes me sick really.

Shocking in truth. Terrible state of affairs.

Bigguy · Apr 10, 2018

Small quote and link in case anyone missed it:

Facebook Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg's No. 1 mission during his appearance before U.S. lawmakers on Tuesday and Wednesday will be to defend against calls to regulate internet-based companies.

The prospect of new laws that restrict Facebook and other internet companies, however, is extremely unlikely not only because of a lack of political will and the effective lobbying of technology companies but because few lawmakers want to grapple with the sheer complexity of the technical issues involved.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/tech...hearing-but-little-hope-for-action/ar-AAvHP8H

Careful, could be fake news, lol.

zappaDPJ · Apr 10, 2018

What struck me is he's a $64 billion guy sporting a $5 haircut. But aside from that I think Facebook users should be financially compensated for privacy breaches. In my mind that's the best way of regulating these kind of companies, hit them where it hurts the most, in the balance sheet. Self regulation is preferable to government legislation that curtails everyone's freedom.

PoetJC · Apr 10, 2018

Wow. So much hate and animus towards Facebook...
I don't get it tbh...

Yappi said:
Unfortunately, I think some people are too addicted to pull themselves away

Anton Chigurh said:
Humans can and do get physically and emotionally addicted to facebook and other sites where we share, including even, message boards.

I must say I agree with the replies above... I'm definitely addicted to FB... I am a binge alcoholic and do have a bit of an addictive personality.
So yes. I'm definitely addicted. But the thing is - I have absolutely no desire to delete my FB account. None at all. I've connected with highschool classmates & friends & family that I've not seen in years. I especially appreciate that - because there aren't many other opportunities -- especially for someone like me who is a bit reclusive and a loner -- to actually make such connections.

I'm an avowed socially liberal person and do quite enjoy some of the political debates. When I see a meme or some such which is obviously 'fake news' (OH GAWD I HATE THE TERM = THANKS TRUMP meh...) it's thrilling to point out the inaccuracies.

None of the complaints you guys have made has even steered me anywhere towards FB deletion. I suppose ... Like some can't handle their liquor or their coke, etc.. - some cannot handle Facebook. And that's okay. But I think the vast majority of the world would disagree with most of the negative sentiments posted here.

Sincerely,

J. (Facebook Fan LOL)

PoetJC · Apr 10, 2018

zappaDPJ said:
But aside from that I think Facebook users should be financially compensated for privacy breaches.

But Facebook is a SOCIAL MEDIA platform that offers a FREE service.

Is there truly any expectation of privacy??? I mean - forum members sometimes are furious that their PMs (private messages) aren't actually "private" in the strictest sense of the word. Yet we have forum owners here on TAZ who have defended the concept of PMs ... So why would we view FB any differently.

IDK... Perhaps I'm curiously confused about all the negative fuss and comments that have been made in this thread

J.

Bigguy · Apr 10, 2018

PoetJC said:
None of the complaints you guys have made has even steered me anywhere towards FB deletion.

Personally, I'm not trying to do that. Use it if ya wanna really. I think that the less activity on there the better. With all those users, if they can't make their site secure, then maybe it's not the place I want myself or my kids to be.

zappaDPJ · Apr 10, 2018

PoetJC said:
But Facebook is a SOCIAL MEDIA platform that offers a FREE service.

Is there truly any expectation of privacy??? I mean - forum members sometimes are furious that their PMs (private messages) aren't actually "private" in the strictest sense of the word. Yet we have forum owners here on TAZ who have defended the concept of PMs ... So why would we view FB any differently.

IDK... Perhaps I'm curiously confused about all the negative fuss and comments that have been made in this thread

J.

Is it really free? I guess that depends on how much value you put on your data because that's the entry cost and Facebook has earned billions from it. I have no expectations of privacy whatsoever so I generally avoid all social media. However it does concern me a little when I find some very private data has been pulled without my permission or knowledge into a very public arena. This is data that I've never entered into Facebook or any other kind of social media.

My main concern however is not the abuse of my data, it's that bad behaviour from the likes of Facebook will lead to government legislation that will curtail my freedom of speech.

PoetJC · Apr 11, 2018

Bigguy said:
Personally, I'm not trying to do that. Use it if ya wanna really. I think that the less activity on there the better. With all those users, if they can't make their site secure, then maybe it's not the place I want myself or my kids to be.

Welcome to the internet?
Is ANY data ever secure when you have script-kiddies and various types of hackers employing intentionally malicious scripts in order to compromise and/or retrieve data that they have no business having access to?... I've just come to accept that anything you share on social media "can" become a bit more public than you anticipated... Therefore, isn't it up to the end-user to be diligent with their posts, having an editing eye while being conscious that ALL social media posts on ANY platform may have a penchant for being ... public knowledge?
If yes - then why punish the platform - as opposed to saying ==> Take accountability for your posts as you would with your actions in the real-life world!

zappaDPJ said:
Is it really free? I guess that depends on how much value you put on your data because that's the entry cost and Facebook has earned billions from it. I have no expectations of privacy whatsoever so I generally avoid all social media. However it does concern me a little when I find some very private data has been pulled without my permission or knowledge into a very public arena. This is data that I've never entered into Facebook or any other kind of social media.

My main concern however is not the abuse of my data, it's that bad behaviour from the likes of Facebook will lead to government legislation that will curtail my freedom of speech.

Great point. But yes. It is free. If FB were to become a completely paid platform - THEN you should expect some semblance of security that your data will not be shared, unless you allow it. But it's a free platform. My expectation of FB is only that I'm allowed to communicate my thoughts whenever & however I choose.

I think a rule of thumb for such platforms should be this ==> If you wouldn't say it to anybody's face = don't publish it in a social media post.
With such a rule of thumb being applied as mantra for living the virtual, social media life ... There would be no problems.
But people publish things that come back to bite them; there is stuff published that you wouldn't necessarily say to anybody face-to-face.
But should Facebook be punished for such (cowardly?) faux-pas? I don't think so...

I personally have no expectation of privacy when posting on any social media platform. But I tend to live by the above mantra - that if I cannot say it to your face - then I have absolutely no business saying any thing at all...

J.

mysiteguy · Apr 11, 2018

Bigguy said:
Anyone see Mark Zuckerburg on the news today. ?? Hows that make everyone feel. ?? Makes me sick really.

mysiteguy · Apr 11, 2018

PoetJC said:
But Facebook is a SOCIAL MEDIA platform that offers a FREE service.

Is there truly any expectation of privacy??? I mean - forum members sometimes are furious that their PMs (private messages) aren't actually "private" in the strictest sense of the word. Yet we have forum owners here on TAZ who have defended the concept of PMs ... So why would we view FB any differently.

IDK... Perhaps I'm curiously confused about all the negative fuss and comments that have been made in this thread

J.

FB is different.

They can (and do) gather data from non-Facebook users. Ever site that has a FB share image, FB login, and so on... FB tracks that person and builds a profile and connects this to other users who do use Facebook. I'm seriously considering removing FB logins and shares from my site (or figuring out how to do it without loading any payload like javascript and images from FB until the user actually clicks) because I don't want to be a party to these practices (I already have the data pulled from FB for logins limited to their name and email address).

Add on top of that, friends can share your profile info unbeknownst to you unless you change privacy settings, that they allowed one political party to scoop out their entire user base in 2012 without saying anything about for years, etc. Its just a mess!

Then there's the ability of this one company to influence so many due to it's content policies... but that's another topic for another day.

I think the questioning today reveals a lot:

"Zuck" was asked if he would share with Congress what hotel he stayed at last night. "No"
Then asked if he'd share with them who he contacted via messenger and what they said. "No"

...both of those questions are things FB gathers.

Bigguy · Apr 11, 2018

PoetJC : I am not punishing the platform or anyone for using it. Go right ahead. I personally believe that for me I don't need to be there with all this info being taken or given away or stolen. Not that I have info that is useful to anyone, lol. This happens from time to time on a lot of sites. The less personal data you have out there the more secure your personal data is.

zappaDPJ · Apr 11, 2018

PoetJC said:
I think a rule of thumb for such platforms should be this ==> If you wouldn't say it to anybody's face = don't publish it in a social media post.

That sounds very reasonable although as I've said before, I take it a step further. There's plenty that I'd say to someone's face (not all bad) that I wouldn't dream of putting on-line.

PoetJC said:
But people publish things that come back to bite them; there is stuff published that you wouldn't necessarily say to anybody face-to-face.
But should Facebook be punished for such (cowardly?) faux-pas? I don't think so...

I don't think so either but I don't think that's the issue. It's not about the content, it's about the abuse of data that allows you to put that content on-line.

KimmiKat · Apr 11, 2018

I remember one of my relatives who was on FB getting ads for meds she was getting on her wall. She was upset on how they got those, as this was on a new computer and FB was the first site she visited. She found out later her pharmacy shared marketing stuff with FB and at point, she fired both FB and the drug store. Zuck has his fingers in everything.

Yappi · Apr 12, 2018

In my area, we have things called "sin-taxes". These are taxes that are levied on things that are considered undesirable or harmful. Best examples are tobacco and alcohol. I personally have no problem with people who smoke or drink. It's a personal choice and they are free to decide. But if you were to ask me, I think we would be better off if there was no alcohol or tobacco.

IMO, Facebook falls into the same group as alcohol and tobacco. You are free to choose to use their service. But if it were up to me, I think we would all be better off if Facebook didn't exist. It took me one week to come to that conclusion almost a decade ago when monitoring my son's activity on their site. It's the most narcissistic/evil site that I have ever seen. It has made us collectively worse people. I've heard all the arguments why it is so great but most of them sound like the people who are addicted to other vices.

I'm glad we are waking up and slowly starting to get rid of this "evil empire."

Jim McClain · Apr 12, 2018

Yappi said:
But if it were up to me, I think we would all be better off if Facebook didn't exist.

I would bet that this is the mindset of most forum owners. I know that's how I've always felt.

I'm glad we are waking up and slowly starting to get rid of this "evil empire."

I don't see that happening anytime soon, not even slowly. I've been around long enough to remember when that was the prevailing thought for a lot of people regarding Microsoft and Bill Gates. They got marginally better. I suspect that's what will happen with FB.

diadi · Apr 12, 2018

Yappi said:
I'm glad we are waking up and slowly starting to get rid of this "evil empire."

I don't think it is going anywhere. If it does another one will rise up to take its place. How else will humans go about getting the approval they so desperately need?

PoetJC · Apr 12, 2018

Yappi said:
It's the most narcissistic/evil site that I have ever seen. It has made us collectively worse people. I've heard all the arguments why it is so great but most of them sound like the people who are addicted to other vices.

I'm glad we are waking up and slowly starting to get rid of this "evil empire."

WOW! Strong language: "narcissistic/evil" making us a "collectively worse people" -- an "evil empire"?!?
WOW!...

I disagree. I think what we've seen with Facebook is that people are willing to be themselves and tend to have no inhibitions with sharing their various perspectives. It is NOT Facebook who is perpetuating the evil. But what we've seen IS the inherent evil, narcissistic animus FROM PEOPLE who are only to willing to let their ridiculousness flourish behind a keyboard... It's the people who are narcissistic and evil and feeling free to collectively unveil themselves for the world to see!

Facebook cannot make us a collectively worse people. That's impossible as far as I can tell. What it does is reveal who people really are.
And you cannot fault Facebook for that IMO.

J.

Yappi · Apr 13, 2018

PoetJC said:
Facebook cannot make us a collectively worse people. That's impossible as far as I can tell. What it does is reveal who people really are.And you cannot fault Facebook for that IMO.

I couldn't disagree with you more. If I felt that way, I wouldn't have any rules for my kids. People need limits. Society has always put those limits on us. It is our way of making us feel safe and secure.

Every once in a while, something new comes along that has the ability to shape our lives in a positive or negative way. Newspaper, radio, telephone, movies, television, internet, and social media are some of the big examples. There is always a push and pull for how we feel it is appropriate for us to interact. The trend has certainly moved towards self-indulgence. Facebook took advantage of this narcissism and took it to a whole new level. People are tiring of all the drama Facebook creates.

I agree with diadi, something else will rise up and take it's place. It's already happening with SnapChat, Twitter, and Instagram. People are becoming aware of what Facebook stands for and people are starting to shut it off.

IMO, Facebook has two possible futures. The first, it becomes like email. Something that you have to have but is more of a chore than a passion. There was a time when getting an email was a true joy...I really miss those days. The second possible future is becoming a forgotten site that most people still belong to but just don't go there anymore. MySpace suffered this fate and there is a real chance that Facebook could feel it too in the next decade. The loss of users in North America is the canary in the coal mine for Facebook.

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